A mechanical engineer and inventor shared his design for a new ratcheting socket wrench that features auto-adjusting jaws and robust all-metal construction.
Shown above is a proof of concept prototype, and we’re told that the production version will have a much smaller head. The design can also be scaled up or down to accommodate different fastener size ranges. The internal mechanism can also be tuned – before production – to provide more or less gripping force.
Advertisement
I couldn’t find any web-linkable references, but I am told the invention is under review for a non-provisional utility patent, number 14/274,027 in the USA and Canada.
Here are renderings that show what the final design could look like:
So how does it work?
After placing the tool over a nut or bolt head, the two parts of the handle are squeezed together. This causes the tool’s jaws to wedge closed and tight around a fastener. Then, use the tool as you would any other ratcheting socket wrench to tighten or loosen a fastener.
Advertisement
Here’s a video that demonstrates the use and practicality of the design:
Advantages
The inventor made the following claims about the product:
- Easy to use and adjust with only one hand (no other tool allows this)
- Active forces grip bolts during using (no other ratcheting tool can do this)
- Force is applied on fastener’s faces, and not their corners, reducing likelihood of fastener rounding and damage
- 3 faces are engaged, instead of just 2 corners
- Pass-through design
- An extension can be attached that allows the use of the tool in tight or deep spaces without compromising the claimed advantages
- Handles can have a locking mechanism that can be locked in position once the adjustability is done, allowing for one-handed use while keeping the ratcheting ability available
Here’s my take on it:
Pros
There are a couple of advantages to the design, such as how the tool keeps fasteners in active engagement. With other styles of adjustable wrenches and sockets, such as the Stanley Twin Tec, jaw width is set, but could potentially loosen up a little when turned.
Because of how the jaws adjust, there is space throughout the middle of the tool head that allows it to function as a pass-thru socket wrench as well. The jaw design also means that turning forces are spread across fasteners’ flat sides, and not their corners.
Additionally, the tool is easy to adjust and use with just one hand.
Cons
The adjustable tool head is quite large in size, but we’re told that the production version would be appreciable smaller. Following is a rendering of what the slimmer version would look like.
Additionally, although active engagement is a benefit, it also means that the user must constantly squeeze the two handles together. There are times, such as when breaking fasteners free, that one might instead prefer to grip or move the tool differently in a way that releases pressure on the handles. This is a minor downside shared by very many different styles of pliers and adjustable gripping tools.
Overall
Although I have only examined the tool through various images, mechanical drawings, cut-aways, and parts diagrams in the inventor’s documentation and provisional patent paperwork, I find myself both intrigued and impressed with the tool.
I have seen a number of independent inventors’ tool ideas, and this one looks to be one of the best so far.
The inventor, who wishes to keep his name private for now, is looking for partners to help bring his invention to market. If you’re a retail buyer or product manager and are interested in taking this new tool design to the next level, the inventor can be reached at: [email protected].
Toolfreak
These and other such all-in-one socket-style tools all suffer from the same access problem, where they won’t be able to be used in 90-95% of the work most people who use sockets do.
There’s no way to use an extension with this tool, no way to access all the nuts and bolts in recessed locations or tight spots where they have other fasteners or objects very close to them.
In short, it’s mostly useless for all but the most simple jobs where there is one fastener all by itself on an easy-to-access flat surface that you could just use a wrench on.
A better, specialty application of such a tool would be to customize the jaws to the shape of a custom fastener head, making it so only this tool could be used to remove them. This would be great stuff for ultra-high security applications, and would benefit the manufacturer and designer since the tool could be sold at an extremely high price for the exclusivity.
Dan
Hi Toolfreak, I’m the inventor.
First, that you Stuart for the article!
This tool doesn’t try to solve all the problems, it’s an option for the people who need an universal tool for jobs around the house, DIY, car, boat etc. and don’t want to have a full socket set. This idea came to me after I wanted to do a job and I was missing one socket…. the one that I needed. I had to finish the job with an adjustable tool (that was bigger than my invention).
But it has a lot of other advantages, as you can see in the video and in the description on YouTube and soon in the patent application that will become public soon.
It’s strange how you know that the extension won’t work, you didn’t even see it..
If you have any questions, feel free to ask.
Toolfreak
It looks like a slightly better engineered concept of the gimmicks that became the gator grip socket, the bionic wrench, etc. etc.
I’m sure it would be better than nothing in some situations where you don’t have the right socket, but that’s solved by just having a full socket set, or spending a few bucks to replace any missing sockets or needed sizes.
The bigger issues with the design is the lack of access with the huge head around the socket area, lack of access with extensions, and lack of torque with no way to extend the handle length.
This also won’t work for anything other than hex bolts/nuts with the current three-jaw configuration.
I’d suggest you come up with other jaw designs, with teeth that allows this tool to fit external torx bolts, or even come up with your own fastener design, something that requires this tool and the pressure of the jaws to allow removal of the fastener.
Nice engineering work, but for regular fasteners, regular wrenches and regular sockets are still what works best.
Hang Fire
As my brother would say, “it looks like a tool that would do well where any other tool would do well.”
A new tool has to solve a problem that really exists. I’m not seeing the problem that’s being solved here. Instead I see a problem being created.
Tool/Fastener clearance is a big, big issue. This tool is too big for changing a spark plug, too big for installing a serpentine bolt on any of my 3 auto engines, too big tightening a starter bolt, too big for adjusting a derailler, there’s really almost nothing in the way of emergency bike, boat or auto repair that it would be useful for.
Not having the right socket is not a real problem. If I happen to be missing the right socket, I look for the equivalent SAE/Metric crossover. If not I look for the right wrench. If I don’t have that, then pliers. If I don’t have any of these things then I haven’t brought my tools with me. You can still buy a 40pc 3/8 ratchet and socket set for $5 at HF. I can replace the missing socket for $5 at any Sears, Kmart, Walmart, HD, Lowe’s, or hardware store.
The recurring comment that it is ginormous is not just a minor critique. Maybe if you finish it nicely, put it in an Apple iPhone-like box and price it real high, you can sell a few to some hipsters.
Kent
“it’s an option for the people who need an universal tool for jobs around the house, DIY, car, boat etc. and don’t want to have a full socket set. ”
But it is going to cost more than a full socket set, unless you make it from plastic.
I admire your dedication, and desire to invent, but I don’t really see it solving any problems. The large size is a problem; will the final version be 1/2 that size or smaller?
You may hear some negative opinions here, but keep in mind that we’re fairly hardcore tool users here.
Dan
Trust me Kent, I heard everything 🙂 and a lot of times, the same idea…;)
I’m working on this invention in the last 7 years, from idea to prototype (patent)
I don’t think it will cost more than a socket set with ratchet, I designed it to be easy to machine when mass produced…
I’ll try to list the advantages, I have the feeling that it’s not really clear, even with the video:
-you can use it with one hand (adjusting and tightening/un-tightening)
-it’s the only adjustable ratchet that exerts a pressure on the bolt during the action, like a vice-grip
-it holds the bolt/nut, so it won’t drop when you start/stop
-it has a pass-through design for rods
-like a vice-grip, you can remove rounded bolts (or prevent this to happen), I don’t know any other adjustable ratcheting tool that can do that that easy.
This is just a proof-of-concept prototype, built in aluminum, to show how it works. I had to adapt my prototype around the ratcheting mechanism and that’s why the head is bigger. This won’t be a limitation with a production tool.
Of course the final production tool will be smaller and will be made in different ranges.
Hang Fire
Even scaled down in steel, the head is too big and awkward. The fixed 90 degree handle is a show-stopper.
Every time I work on anything the first thing I do is put together the right combination of ratchet, u-joints, extensions and sockets just to get to the fasteners I’m loosening. This device wouldn’t even get past the pulleys, frame, fender, etc. alongside the piece being worked on. I wouldn’t even be able to touch to bolt or nut with it, even if considerably shrunk.
And please, please stop with the all-thread examples. That’s really a non-existent problem. How much all-thread and all-thread-like fasteners are there on my cars and boat? Exactly none. My home? None.
Face it: big, awkward self-adjusting pliers are no substitute for wrenches or sockets, nor are they substitutes for existing plier designs that can fit in tight clearance areas. They are a tool that only works well were you can use any other tool.
Nate
35-40 dollar price range and you have one sold to me. It would fill a need i have that no other tool can do. It looks like the cost to make the tool will be high tho but I see a great application for it!
Allen
Innovation is great, more power to you.
One problem is see is that it will be perceived as being too big for the small stuff and too small for the big stuff.
Would two sizes negate the advantages ?
Dan
It was designed with multiple size ranges in mind…. same advantages.
Can be made also for wider range or bigger gripping force…
Steve
Stanley TwinTec Ratcheting Wrench LOL
https://14cyiuhvcgv.com/stanley-twintec-wrench/%3C/a%3E%3C/p%3E
Dan
Why lol?
You cannot see the differences?
Please read above…
Joe M
I’m not entirely fond of the design. I can see where the intention is pure, and the engineering is good. It comes down to usability. It has been said that it would have trouble finding use for those 90%-of-the-time situations that people use sockets for.
Y’see… by the time you narrow down the market for this particular tool… Home/DIY/Hobby/Maker with the occasional project, rather than a Mechanic/Engineer/Professional Builder… You then have to narrow down that market again for this tool… Those who have a lot of Fasteners to work with, but have a wide open area to work in on the project, and who also don’t already own every tool they need to do the work. This isn’t going to be a Car Enthusiast, who would be the biggest market for sockets and wrenches, because it’s too big to fit into tight spaces. It’s not likely to be a Plumber for the same reason, and that would be the next biggest market for adjustable wrenches and sockets. So now we’re down to a Woodworker/Metalworker. And these kinds of people, even starting out, are likely to use power tools rather than hand sockets.
So… where’s the market for this tool? I’m sure there is one. It is going to be extremely niche though. Perhaps this will become the standard for use in Furniture Restoration, or IKEA Installations, or something like that. I have severe doubts that it would be much bigger than that. Perhaps if it was a whole system, rather than a wrench/tool on its own, it might hit a bigger niche. If it was a handle, or series of handles for different applications, and a series of heads for size ranges and future tight-space versions… I could see this being more useful and popular.
This has nothing to do with “Adjustable Wrenches Have Been Invented Already”… This particular design has flaws in the marketability. The Idea and the Engineering are all sound, and I’m sure the actual function is exactly as it needs to be. But, it’s a fixed handle, there doesn’t appear to be a locking mechanism to set the size once selected, and the head is a specific shape. It mimics only one type of socket. Deep, Open-Ended Sockets. Although they are a popular addition to many socket sets, the sockets themselves are not the most used. So you’ve kinda designed yourself into a corner on this particular tool.
If you could perhaps find a way to make this design more adaptable to the markets who would use them, then I would see a huge benefit. By the time you reduce down who would buy this one specifically over traditional tools, I’m not sure it would be worth the cost of producing them. In fact, by the time you got down to “Those who don’t already have the tools”… You’re also talking people who can’t find much use for this tool as well.
Stan
Dan,
Assuming that you are in fact a.)the original owner, despite Stuart mentioning the owner wanting to keep his name private and b.)going to read this post, I first want to congratulate you on this invention.
Again, assuming you are in fact the original owner in question and not some internet troll, inventing any product isn’t a simple process. I should warn you though, expect some criticism. Especially from really hardcore tool guys, as some will NOT be anywhere nearly as civil as comments here.
Now I want to fully disclose, I am NOT trying to be mean, but I do see some issues with this tool. Clearance issues and the fact this tool does in fact look quite bulky if you will as well.
Again, I can’t stress this enough, I am not trying to bash you here though. I am also curious about the country of origin of this product as well. This tool reminds me of the imported Stanley Twin Tec and the older USA made Craftsman/Klein automatic nut drivers as well.
Is this item is a Kickstarter product or is this truly a off the beaten path creation that is only known due to a blog or so?
Either way, I hope people won’t be too brutal on you though. However, for all I and others know, “Dan” might just be the original owner or even remotely involved in this.
Dan
First, I want to thank you all for the time you took to post your opinions.
Second, I am the inventor, please write me am email on the address posted on youtube and I’ll answer.
Third, this is a prototype, made on aluminum.
Fourth, probably we will be still using fixed keys, because the adjustable ones are too big.
I think my idea brings improvements over the tools already on the market. About 1/3 of the people I showed the idea said that they would buy one.
Please read the advantages in the youtube description.
Thanks
Dan
Bill K
Dan,
I’m impressed with the concept, the wide utility and your energy to invent. I also hear the valid complaints or challenges your tool is getting here on ToolGuyd, which should be considered going forward. I heard some really good suggestions above that are worthy of investigating: (1) speciality tool for a tamper proof fastener, and (2) a attachment tool for a drill/driver. I look forward to hearing more about your invention and hopefully it’s success in the future!
Keep in mind, many inventions fail, not because they don’t work, but from the lack of, or improper marketing. From personal experience, I was shocked to learn the development cost of an invention can easily be dwarfed by marketing costs.
Stuart
From where I sit, I see all kinds of marketing where money in = more money out. Marketing is the magical power by which some companies sell things nobody should really buy.
NCD
I can’t imagine under what circumstance I would want or use this product……. honestly.
Mike
As a machinist,this tool looked interesting right away.
Dont understand why you all are knocking this guy down instead of making suggestions for improvements and the like.
Perhaps maybe you guys are envious you didnt come up with the concept.
Allen
Pretty broad brush you have there.
But you are mostly right, innovators have my respect.
Jordan
The product looks much better than the other all-in-one products I’ve seen on the market. I think you may have something on your hands if the production version is as slim as the render.
Kudos to the inventor. I hope this works out for you!
Dave L.
Fascinating concept. One thing I would change (if possible) is to have the squeeze handle on the TOP rather than the bottom. That would give more clearance and less chance for knuckle collisions.
Roy
I can see where a modification would make this a decent threaded stud removal/installation tool. For example on engines that use studs for cylinder head and /or main bearing cap studs.
skfarmer
envious? um no…… this is another one of those products designed to take your money and get covered with dust. one could say that it is a tool designed to fix a problem that doesn’t exist. i am a farmer and work on everything from household appliances to heavy trucks and tractors. i would have to look long and hard to find anything i could actually use that type of tool on. channellock did this years ago and failed. they had an adjustable socket that fit on a ratchet or breaker bar. i applaud innovation but anyone who seriously uses tools should be able to see this product for what it really is, an extremely limited use gimmick. i predict that it never makes it to market and if it does it is never makes it to the next major holiday when these type of tools typicly make an appearance.
Stan
I am just going to write this and excuse my capitalization but hands down this is the BEST COMMENT THUS FAR. Seriously, Skfarmer, this gentleman truly understands this situation entirely. Now by and large Sk Farmer is a very intelligent man, but he has said basically what needs to be said.
Similar to SK Farmer, I am not at all envious of this idea. This has been done with several iterations over the decades. Automatic nut drivers, Gator Grips, Stanley Twin Tec etc. Ultimately, similar to some other “all in one” tools this tool potentially is trying to fix a problem that might not even exist.
I support creativity and I mentioned that in my first post, but although even I would have to look long and hard to find uses for this tool. Practicality, severe clearance issues in my opinion do make this a gimmicky tool though.
I am with Sk farmer on this one though, as I am not sure this will ever be made and if this is, likely this will be sold during either the holidays or Father’s Day, but not for that long.
SteveR
Dan–As you receive comments/criticism of your invention, keep in mind that most of us are already committed (or “locked-in”) to standard ratchets and sockets, to which this is not strictly comparable. I would have a problem with continuous squeezing of the handles while it’s in use; I could see it short-term, I suppose, but not for extended use. For that, some type of “Vise-Grip” style locking handles would be necessary. It hurts to have to squeeze the handles for extended periods, something we don’t have to do with a standard ratchet and sockets. That’s why I don’t like to use pliers very often, if I can avoid them. That, and the fact that most pliers chew up fastener heads while in use owing to the teeth in their jaws. The adjustable gripping head on this tool won’t damage the fastener, so that’s a plus.
I suspect the illustrations are NOT what the tool will finally look like, in terms of size and proportions. Like the automakers, you have to disguise what you’re working on so a competitor won’t be able to steal your design idea(s) during the developmental phase. If, in fact, it will remain as bulky as the renderings show (even in the different sizes), it could be a hard sell to the general tool-buying public. Its current iteration appears to be more adaptable to field use applications (i.e., lots of room to work in).
I watched the video, and the applications you put it to show lots of room to work in. For widespread appeal, it will need to be downsized for general usage, which I’m sure you’ve planned on. In practice, it will need to compete with the most common ratchet drive sizes (1/4″, 3/8″ and 1/2″). It was mentioned that one could use it with an extension, but I didn’t see one in the video, and I’m not sure how it would attach to the tool. Will it use a proprietary-designed extension, or can a standard extension be used? The more proprietary you are with the design and its’ accessories, the more difficult it may be to sell the package to the public. I suspect the head of the tool is disproportionately sized in order to highlight its’ action in the video. But maybe I’m wrong.
Incidentally, have you identified your market(s)? Knowing who it’s aimed at will help you figure out a lot of the problems involved in selling the product. Contact the SBA (Small Business Administration) for ideas in bringing the product to market, and possible sources of Government funding (grants and low-interest loans) to help you out. If you haven’t already, attend industry trade shows to see your competition and discuss marketing strategies with professionals. You may decide to sell the concept to a toolmaker rather than produce/market it yourself. And, if nothing else, retain an attorney for patent infringement and other issues.
Good luck.
Michael
You have given him a lot to think about without discouraging his creativity. I would also look at other uses for the head design
Jotham M
It’s certainly a clever approach. I think a lot of folks are concerned about the size but as was pointed out, it’s still a prototype. If I was going to try and improve the prototype to address some of the concerns, here’s what I would try to do (btw, I’m no engineer so I could be very wrong).
The handle position is a challenge, ideally the squeeze action could be relocated. Since you are driving down a plate that compresses the wedges, I would look into a non-compressible hydraulic action. Essentially a brake line to transfer the downward force from various angles.
We all have challenges actually manipulating wrenches in tight quarters. If you gave up the pass-through, then you could drive the rotary action with an impact tool. I think the combination of a hydraulic clutch, slimmer body and impact driver compatible head would make for a killer combination. I could hook it up to my makita,compress the plunger to desired pressure and slowly drive it in or out. While I have a full socket wrench set, I would find an impact driver variation a great time saver. I wouldn’t have to switch bits while doing assembly/dis-assembly.
Jotham M
Lastly, even if it goes absolutely nowhere, kudos for the great effort and creation. I respect anyone that thinks of an idea and brings it to life. Ideas are easy, execution is hard and you actually made something that works and is fairly awesome.
I find some of the comments here to be a bit harsh especially coming from a community of people that actually do stuff as opposed to having others do it for them. That said, these are your toughest customers and it’s worth listening to them.
So, congratulations on a nice piece that I would be very proud of if I had built it!
Derek
A wonderful idea!
I’m sure many people that first saw an adjustable wrench, a ratcheting screw driver, a powered drill, or even a hammer with a claw thought it was a gimmick and/or it wasn’t for them. And maybe they were right. Not everyone will have a use for every tool that comes on the market. I am an engineer with several sets of tools, ranging from the Pittsburgh brand to Snap-on. And I can think of at least 3 recent situations where this tool would have saved me time, money, and aggravation. I got the job done without this tool, but if I had it, I would have used it.
Few people know how a ratchet works, how a 3 jaw chuck works, how to modify them, or how to combine them. And to be honest, this is a very tidy package.
“Hardcore Tool User” what does that even mean? How does that qualify you to determine the marketability of a tool?
Thank you SteveR and Jotham M for your comments. That’s actually constructive criticism.
Dan
Thank you everybody for your comments, positive and negative. I really appreciate the passion you put in them, like I do in my design.
I have to repeat myself, this is just the proof-of-concept prototype. Of course there are plenty of ratcheting tools on the market….. and adjustable ones…. and vice-grips… my idea combines these 3 tools in one, trying to take only the advantages…
I’m a mechanical engineer with a master degree in design, but I did work as a technician for some time, so I had my blood on my tools….. once too many..;)
I would use it on a press, on a hydraulic system, on a testing system, to build my gym at home (lot of bolts), adjust the chain on my motorcycle, etc…. these are just few examples….
I probably wouldn’t have the possibility to use it on a farm too much, but even there you would have accumulators, pumps, gear reductor, etc… and it would make sense to have a single tool that you could use almost anywhere, instead of a full set of sockets and a ratchet…. and you’re going to miss exactly the one you need.. not counting one bolt that’s rounded…;)
I don’t understand the concept: I don’t see where I could use this tool, so .. I’m positive nobody will ever use it…..
Coming back to my design, this proof of concept doesn’t contain all the advantages claimed in the patent application. It was made to show the main FUNCTION (as I patent the function of the tool) : it can be used with one hand, adjust to grab a wide variety of bolts/nuts and then the ratcheting function while pressing against the faces of the bolt. I don’t know any tool on the market right now that does that.
All the adjustable ratcheting tools you have to use 2 hands, and once you finished your adjustment, you have no force pressing on the bolt. when you remove a bolt, you can drop it with a regular adjustable tool, but not with mine.
I also have the vice-grip like mentioned in the patent application, and the position of the handle….. I’m a user and I was thinking how can I make it better.
also, it doesn’t have any spring inside the tool, it’s very compact.
I had to do the handle and the “head” separately, so this also added to the diameter of the head, the production tool can have these made in one piece, thus reducing the diameter even more… and another idea that will come…..
I could give more insight on the design process, or patenting, I’m sure a lot of people have an idea and are afraid to go forward ( I was….)
So please keep comment!
Joe M
Well, to be honest, the engineering and idea are sound. I would agree there. The problem is, the form it is presented in doesn’t seem market-ready. The long tube head, fixed 90 degrees to the handle. That form factor squeezes the wide uses down to only a few. It becomes a small, niche market for what is presented here.
I think, and this is a personal thing, that if it could lock to the size of fastener, and then release when you want to reset it, that would be best. Squeeze the handle, it locks in place, ratchet to your heart’s content, release. That would put less strain on the grip, and widen the market for the tool. It’s inconvenient, and I’m sure this sounds like a minor quibble, but it really would make a huge difference between a tiny niche, and a very large niche, because that locking mechanism would make it easier to potentially slide the tool into tighter spaces, and operate it as a ratchet without having to have your full hand gripping it to keep the fastener engaged. It would overcome the shape and dimension problems people are seeing.
Also, and this is a personal thing as well, just an idea… Perhaps if you had different heads that all worked with the same handle? One head specifically for the size range covered by a 1/4″ Pearhead, another for 3/8″, and another for the 1/2″ range? Another entire set re-engineered to fit into tight spaces, or at a pivot or angle? Then, even if it’s still one tool replacing 3, that same tool can be very specific to a wide range of jobs for a great many groups. And it would also allow you to have heads that could be extremely reduced in size, because they don’t have to do as much, removing the issue with the size of the head all together?
I’m always improvising solutions to my problems with my tools. I am always building my own solutions. I understand it can be frustrating when people question or criticize your solution, but I have also found that that negativity tends to show me where I can do better. It always makes my creations better, and I genuinely believe they can apply to your creation too. Maybe, just maybe, you’ll find a version of this patent that DOES become marketable, and survive a holiday season? You’ll never know, and neither will any of us, if we don’t point out the hurdles you face in the market demographic for your creation.
The Idea and the Engineering WORK. I can see it, and I understand it fine. The product is sound, and so is the intent. The form just needs work in order to meet a big enough market to produce it. If it never gets produced, it can never be used by enough people to get to your demographic. It’s a sad truth about inventing and patenting. If no one ever sees it work in the wild, because it didn’t get produced, then it won’t succeed.
Yadda
Always inspired by invention. Keep up the good work!
Farmall 1066
Dan, I respect your innovation, and inventiveness, but agree with what SK Farmer stated.
Biggest problem, and I mean no offense, is that you are soliciting reviews from a bunch of guys who are always looking for an excuse to buy more tools, and we take a lot of pride in selecting and using the right tool for the job.
I am sure there would be applications where your design may be useful, but I don’t see them.
Best of luck to you!
Sledgecrowbar
I agree with some of the comments that opine this is another answer to a question nobody is asking. There is no all-in-one tool, at least not well, and really never will be, because you can’t have all the different tools that exist, even just for a certain need, in one and do it as well as actually having all those tools. It does seem to be a better answer than a lot of other stuff out there, though. The Bionic wrench, et al, have a nice thin head, but they don’t ratchet and I like the way this snugs down. Bionic would do well to come out with a version that used a cam action to turn the handles 90 degrees. Even if it does force your hand to exert pressure on two axes, it looks like it spreads the force out over more surface area, making it perceptibly more comfortable overall.
That said, this is the advent of real invention, and it was great to get to see it at this step, where it’s a guy with an idea in his garage, making it happen. That’s what we should all strive for. It doesn’t matter if it’s the next big thing or not, or if it’s even an answer to a question nobody asked, it’s invention, and ingenuity, concepts that we should all strive toward.
I’m certain we’ll see it online, at Sears and As Seen on TV in a year or two, once Apex or whoever else manages to buy the rights to it gets their awful hands on it, and we can all see if it’s worth having in our arsenal, after the beancounters and overseas manufacturers have cheapened it sufficiently to their tastes.
skfarmer
^^^^ some good comments here. i have just a few more comments to make before we let this thing rest.
1. is size, everyone always says this is a prototype, it will get smaller. sure it will get smaller but it will never be small. too many moving parts in a tool that adapts to too many sizes.
2. is price. if it ever gets to market it will have to be made out of some pretty good stuff to be able to withstand the pressure of being adjustable and ratcheting. it won’t be cheap to build and the kind of people who buy this stuff want cheap.
3. i want to address those that applaud this. maybe it is a great exercise to build this type of tool whether it works or not. i have said before, i applaud innovation and like new stuff but why the hell does everyone think that we all need some sort ratcheting adjustable wrench. you can go to almost any hardware store, tool store and major retailer and find some sort of gimmick tool with a nice layer of dust on it (because it has been a long time since christmas of fathers day) .
4. in the end, these types of tools rarely work well and even more rarely save the day. if the do save the day, it is because they work so well it is on the off chance that is the only thing you have. translation= i sure as hell will never us this thing in the shop or garage so it just got thrown in the trunk of the car and it was used to change the battery when it died. (of course this scenario is a stretch because i doubt you could change a top terminal battery much less a side terminal battery. don’t even think about changing a belt.)
Derek
Thank you SK for allowing us to let this rest, without your approval what would we do?
1) Size: Why must it be “small”? There are jobs for 1/4″ ratchets and jobs for 1″ ratchets. There is no magic bullet ratchet, and I do not believe the inventor is marketing this tool as such. There are times when even a low profile ratchet might be too big and you need to find another way.
2) Price: There are some amazing manufacturing technologies out there. The price to make it, as compared to the sale price can vary greatly. And picking a price point for the expected volume of sales and demographic is something companies will spend a lot of time and money trying to get right. Too “cheap”, as you say, and it won’t sell. Too expensive and it won’t sell. Marketing/ advertising firms make lots of money getting pricing right.
3) I don’t think anyone thinks “we all need some sort of ratcheting adjustable wrench.” Does everyone need a ball peen hammer? Does everyone need a #1 Phillips screw driver? You can walk into any garage and find a non-gimmick tool with a nice layer of dust. I don’t use my 3-ton jack very often, or my band saw, or a whole host of other tools, but does that mean I, or the world, would be better off without them?
4) How can you say “these types of tools rarely work well and even more rarely save the day”? I would venture to say there is only one person on this site that has actually used THIS tool. Anyone who has ever used a pair of vice grips to remove a nut or bolt that has had the corners rounded more than likely could have used the tool (if there was enough space).
Thank you for letting the world know that you would never use this tool. I for one know I could use this tool.
skfarmer
well derek, my apology for getting you riled up but dan in his own words below says don’t hesitate with questions or comments. i applaud his determination to do something, i just think it is misguided. my only comment to change is the one when i said we when i meant to say i.
1. tools don’t have to be small but if you have not noticed there is a correlation between fastener size and the corresponding fastener. couple that with many fasteners being in areas that are hard to reach it does not bode well for this tool.
2. price? well there is good, there cheap and there is fast. pick two but rarely do all three come together.
3.why yes, i think most of us need a ball peen hammer, a #1 phillips and a floor jack. not every day but when i need them they are the tools that work and work best for the job. they also do their jobs safer and do less damage to the work than using the inappropriate tool. a ratcheting adjustable multi-tool will rarely be the right tool for the right job.
4. well probably none of us have used the tool. it is only a prototype and very often in this type of tool it never gets beyond prototype because it proves too difficult to make it work and work well. a very similar tool was tried recently and failed miserably because it simply did not work and no money could be raised for it. you admitted yourself that the space needed to use it would be an issue.
in closing. yes, i admit that i would more than likely never use this type of tool and if dan wants people to buy in to it he will need to convince us that it is a viable tool. not that he can make it but that it will work and work well on a variety of fasteners in places where those fasteners will be located (which is generally not in a flat open area where everyone wants to demonstrate them). i worked on a large variety of projects the last few days and purposely went back to see if those tool would have made any of them easier or done the job better and my experience left me with a resounding “no”.
if it works for you derek or dan, then that is great but i don’t see it as anything that would ever make my work easier, faster, safer or better and if it can’t do any of these i don’t see it as being very successful. if my opinions are too blunt or strong then i am sorry. as i meant to do earlier “i” will now let this rest.
Stan
I like the fact you are blunt SK Farmer. Too often people are too terrified to speak their mind and rather follow group mentality rather than think for themselves. I feel very sorry for people similar that notion. Not implying anyone here is that way, but in a general sense.
On the subject of bluntless, that level of sarcasm and rudeness wasn’t needed Derek. This is perfectly fine if you disagree with SK farmer, but you don’t have to be rude in the process.
Sk Farmer has real world experience with building, repairing items. Likely far more experience than I will ever have or the average person will have obtain. So please understand where his comments are coming from and these aren’t coming from negativity.
Derek
No apology need. But I do appreciate it. And I do thank you for the response. I come from a family of farmers, and I understand the daily ingenuity that is necessary for one to succeed as such a demanding profession. Thank you for sharing your opinion and experience. And I do enjoy a good bit of back and forth 🙂
Dan
Thank you Derek for clarifications, I couldn’t have put it better.
I’m trying to improve something, there are a lot of tools on the market. I put my time, effort, money into this because I believe it will help people. (the ones that want to be helped). I cannot force anybody to like this idea and I won’t spend my time on that. I asked Stuart to present it because he’s in the middle of the tool users and I thank him for this.
I enjoyed a lot bringing this idea to life and I wish everybody could experience that.
Will it succeed on the market?? I don’t know. They say only 2% of the ideas arrive there… but I’m willing to try. And if I can help few people…. I’m happy.
if you have any questions or comments… don’t hesitate. 😀
Dan
I look around me in my office….. I see some nuts on my treadmill…. yes, I could use my tool to adjust them… I also have a power tower…. that too has some nuts, different size… would I be able to tighten them with my tool? Yes. Are those metric or imperial?? I don’t care, I have a tool that works for both. Do I need a full set of sockets and a ratchet? No.
Yes, there are bolts and nuts that are not accessible with my tool, but again, I’m not solving the world problems with my invention, I’m improving something. Probably we’ll be still in a cave if we were afraid to invent new things just because “maybe I won’t be able to use it”….. It’s sad to see this attitude….
I’m not an expert in building and repairing…. but who makes SK farmer the absolute authority in this? Do YOU have a better idea? I have a t least 2 ideas how to make it even better.
I have practical and theoretical experience in testing for aerospace, design custom setups, hydraulics, production line for airplanes…. I’m not calling myself an expert, but I’m calling myself an inventor (2 patents for now, other ideas to keep me busy in the next few years).
I love inventing and I like questioning myself when I see something: can I make it better?
Maybe some will use my ideas….and if this will make us get out of our “caves”… it’s perfect!
skfarmer
well, i wanted to stay out of this but if people call me out by name then i will respond.
apparently i have struck a nerve here or people would just ignore me. nobody made me the absolute authority, i never claimed to be and never wanted to be but i have been turning wrenches to keep trucks, combines, tractors, cars, snowmobiles, atvs and snowmobiles running my whole life. as an adult i have done grain elevator repair, appliance repair and delivery and hvac installation. i would love to have you show up with this new idea and follow me around for a day or two doing simple adjustments, repairs and maintainance, giving it a real world test. too many ideas with more than sufficient research and development fail in the real world because the lab isn’t the end all.
i have made some specialty tools and adapters that were either unavailable or too costly. you might be surprised what a farmer with a welder, torch, turning lathe, mag drill and a big hammer can fix or make. again, i stress i am no expert but i have a lot of real world experience and maybe you should not be so quick to dismiss me or my opinions. after reading back through this conversation a rough figure i come up with is about 2/3 of the people who responded seem to see some pretty major issues with your tool and the rest don’t seem to be jumping up and down about it being the best thing since sliced bread.
if you have at least 2 ideas to make it better, what are they? why would you put out a sneak peak without making the improvement s first? most people want to show off their best work.
i wish you no ill will and you are more than free to work on your project, i don’t care. i do take offense to your comment on my attitude, there is no call for that.
you wanted to put this idea out there to test the waters, i doubt that stuart came looking for you. you also told him you wished to stay out of the fray but that did not last long. you apparently wanted publicity and feedback. well, you got some but rather than display the positive attributes of your tool and refute my comments your comment is that i have a poor attitude. i also resent the comment about the cave. i am hardly a cave man or wish to stay in one and embrace technology if not as fast as my kids.
Lee
Hello skfarmer. From your post, you seem to be very mechanically inclined with fabricating adapters to suit an application. How useful would you deem my dual-drive ‘adapter’ to be? If you would, please view my video at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1aA0d9Gij8&feature=youtu.be to observe how versatile and useful this simple device is.
skfarmer
sorry lee, i did not see this right away. i think there are some similar items on the market already. i think the screwdriver is the most promising part of the presentation. i know the finished product would be different but it seems like too many adapters. a more refined product would be interesting to see.
Lee
Hello skfarmer. Thanks for the courtesy of replying. The adapter is merely a working prototype, that proves the concept and does indeed require refining, because it is not aesthetically marketable. Nevertheless, even in its current crude form, the adapter has beaucoup uses. You’re correct, the dual-drive self-ratcheting screwdriver is the’ flagship’ for this technology. This video was created in 2006.
Dan
We’re just running around our tails….
I don’t claim it’s the ultimate tool, I just made improvements, some people like them, some not.
When you find that perfect tool that you’re looking for that does everything, please let me know, I’ll be in line to buy it.
Stan
I understand that people disagreeing with you isn’t enjoyable and can sometimes be tough, but realize that Sk Farmer was merely providing CONSTRUCTIVE criticism.
Your comments about him and others living in caves is not only snide, but utterly revolting.
According to Stuart’s article, you wanted your identity not to be known, but clearly you wanted feedback and publicity. Well you certainly have that now and not entirely for the better.
Dan
I’m sorry, I didn’t see the CONSTRUCTIVE anywhere…. my feeling was that he thinks that nobody will use this tool…. where is the constructive here?
Please read my comment again, I said that we ALL would be still there if we were afraid to INVENT…
I had some CONSTRUCTIVE criticism, like the vice-grip for the handle, or the position of the handle…. now.. THAT’S CONSTRUCTIVE criticism…. 😉
For the last time, this is a proof-of-concept…. it was made to show the FUNCTION! Adjustable and ratcheting, with positive pressure on the bolt.
Stuart
There are going to be critics. Just because they disagree with you, doesn’t mean they’re wrong.
The reverse is also true. Just because critics do not see appeal in a product doesn’t mean everyone will share their stance.
Is this a tool that everyone will want? No. Is this a tool that everyone might need? No. Is this a tool that everyone could use? No. But that is true for most tools currently on the market, except maybe for Phillips #2 screwdrivers and a handful of other basics.
Joe M
I’m going to pop my head in here to check in on the state of this.
Personally? I do see the purpose of this invention. The idea is sound, and so is the engineering. It comes down to marketing, and that’s it. The Niche for this is tiny. Unlike SK Farmer, I see who would buy this. It’s not “No One” it’s just a small number, too tiny to justify production as-is. I don’t LIKE this invention, I’m not going to rush out and get one myself, but that’s not the point.
If the head wasn’t so long, it would fit into tight spaces fine. If I was just complaining about that, I’d leave it there. But I offer the solution, again, of having separate heads that cover smaller ranges of fasteners. If anyone bothered to look at the cut away, you’d see there’s this wedge that gets pushed down to lock the teeth in place. If the head covered a smaller range of fasteners, say the ones that, in a socket set, would fit on a 1/4″ Pear Head, and another for the 3/8″, and another for the 1/2″… Then each one of those three heads would contain a shorter wedge. Since it doesn’t have to cover as wide a range of fasteners, that wedge shape can be proportionally shorter, shortening that tube shape. The shorter tube fits into tighter spaces, overcoming the complaints of everyone who can’t see its value for tight spaces. Now, whether this is achieved by having three separate tools, or having a handle with three interchangeable heads is up to the designer. But it would overcome that complaint.
Also, and I’m going back to my earlier comment again, applying it directly this time, if the teeth ratcheted down and locked in place once squeezed tight, it would overcome the other frustration with this tool. Hard-to-reach spaces. Not just tight spaces, but spaces you can’t reach easily. If it locked in place, then you could reach the fastener once, squeeze it shut, and then pull your hand back from the tool and ratchet it back and forth with just a finger, or the end of another tool, or any number of other conveniences for reaching the tool in these spaces. As it stands right now, you have to be squeezing the handle full-time in order for the teeth to be engaged on the fastener. That’s hard to do in spaces you can’t always reach. Resolve that disconnect with a ratchet/grip/release mechanism, and this tool reaches that market too.
Proof-of-concept or not, it still falls into a category that all tool people should be quite used to. Problem Solving. If you can’t problem solve or troubleshoot the issues you see with this tool, then you’re not helping anyone. It’s not constructive or helpful if all you can say is “No one would buy this.” Why? What WOULD people buy? How can you make THIS fit what it lacks? No one is asking you to buy into it, but if you’ve got all this worldly experience working on things and buying tools, then you should also be smart enough to identify improvements. We’re Human Beings. What makes us different from Neanderthals is our capacity to Innovate solutions instead of Inheriting them. Neanderthals didn’t survive because they couldn’t adapt to the changes in the world, but we did. We Invented our way into surviving.
At the end of the day, we’re all here because Stuart brings us news on new Innovations coming from the Tool world. We’re all here because someone, somewhere, is making new stuff from old stuff we own already. You wouldn’t have the tools you have if someone hadn’t invented them at some point. History moves on. The World moves on. If you can’t do the same, or you think this process has ended, then this is not the place for you. Just open your eyes and see it, that’s all.
Lee
Because you seek investors to partner with you, or, perhaps would settle for royalties, a Chinese company named Hangzhou Great Star Industrial Co. would be a good prospect. They are the largest hand tool manufacturer and distributor in Asia, who, would also assist with streamlining the tool’s design and aesthetics.
Lee
Loggerhead Tools, a U.S. hand tool manufacturer, welcomes innovative hand tool ideas for consideration.
Dan
USPTO sent “Notice of Allowance”, patent coming soon.