Shown here are Ryobi 18V 4.0Ah battery 2-packs, which regularly go on sale a few times each year. Ryobi also makes compact battery packs, but they don’t seem to be very popular. It’s no wonder – these 4.0Ah batteries are very competitively priced.
A few days ago Patrick wrote in with a link to a user manual for a new Ryobi battery pack, P194. Thank you Patrick! Here’s the PDF.
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This appears to be a new larger sized battery pack. It’s definitely taller than the 4.0Ah pack.
So let’s assume it’s a new battery. It could be 6.0Ah, 7.5Ah, or 9.0Ah. Of the three, I think that 9.0Ah is most likely. What do you think?
Perhaps more importantly – what kind of beefy new cordless Ryobi power tools is this new battery pack designed to power?!
This battery has model number P194. There’s also a new pack coming out, model P190, which looks to have a compact form factor. Here’s the manual for that battery.
Okay, so a new very high capacity pack, and a new compact pack. Could we finally see a jump to 5.0Ah or maybe even 6.0Ah in the regular battery pack? I think 5.0Ah is most likely, as 2.5Ah cells have been around for longer than 3.0Ah.
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Nathan
why is 8 Ah not likely? or I guess maybe 7.5.
I could see a double cap battery. And Using the home owner logic – I could see selling the larger batteries for running less efficient tools – that are cheaper.
Like that belt sander for example. to be fair with cheaper batteries – tool efficiency isn’t as paramount. Also don’t they have a set of OPE that uses the 18V system?
and maybe they are coming out with their X2 version of a table saw, mitre, or something. Might as well at this point.
Stuart
Because power tool battery cells have been available in 1.3Ah, 1.5Ah, 2.0Ah, 2.5Ah, and 3.0Ah nominal capacities. Some brands have 2.6Ah or 3.1Ah cells.
Battery pack capacities are usually in multiples of 1x, 2x, or more recently 3x.
8Ah would require a 1x capacity of 2.67Ah in a 3-row configuration.
Nathan
cell nominal voltage of 3.6V – sets of 5. and 5, 2AH cells put in parallel with 3 more sets of 5 2AH cells – would be 8 would it not?
I mean there’s a 4 AH pack. Others are using 3 sets of 5 cells on 3AH cells to get to 9 are they not? Ryobi being a touch cheaper and using the other style battery package might not make it there.
Stuart
1 set of batteries plus 3 more sets would be 4 sets. That would give you a 20-cell pack.
Technically, yes, 4 rows of cells times 2.0Ah would yield a pack capacity of 8.0Ah. But the battery pack would be a monstrosity.
Dewaltsickness
I talked to a ryobi rep when i was at the home depot about a month ago and he had said that they were coming out with a 9 ah. He also mentioned everything is switching to 6 and 9 ah. I assumed the compact would be the six?
Stuart
Maybe then 3, 6, and 9Ah?
Bolt
Yeah the old press stuff I saw was 3, 6′ and 9
Adam
If you look at Milwaukee batteries, their compacts stop at 2ah. The 3ah-6ah packs are all the same size, and the 9ah a bit larger. I don’t think Ryobi is going to find a way to fit 6ah into a compact (in the short term at least). I’m sure they will have more than just 6 & 9, as some prefer the weight of the compact battery for some tools. I wouldn’t want to lug a 9ah on my Ryobi Chemical Sprayer if I didn’t need to.
Stuart, do you think the 9ah Ryobi will possibly provide more power to some of their tools, like Milwaukee says theirs does, due to the 3-row configuration?
Aaron Rhodes
Milwaukee has released compact 3ah M12 batteries. It may not be long before they come out in 18 as well. Problem is that double layer batteries are way more efficient then single layer ones so unless wieght is a big part of function as in M12 then double layer batteries of same capacity are more effective.
Doresoom
The 3Ah cells generally can’t supply as much current as the lower capacity ones. Milwaukee has moved from 3Ah, 4Ah, 5Ah, and finally 6Ah in their M18 XC form factor, but only from 1.5Ah to 2Ah for their M18 CT form factor.
However, for the M12 batteries, they’ve matched the move to 6Ah XCs with the 3Ah CTs. My hypothesis is that the M12 tools aren’t as power hungry as the M18 tools, and don’t demand as much current from the batteries, allowing a single set of cells to supply enough power. So until cell manufacturers increase max current output of the 3Ah 18650 cells, I doubt we’ll be seeing any 3Ah M18 CT batteries.
HammerDrillJoe
Any idea what sort of Amp draw these new batteries could be capable of delivering?
Bolt
I think they announced these like a year ago in Australia with some other sizes.
Doresoom
Europe and Australia have had a 2.5Ah compact and 5Ah battery for quite a while.
http://uk.ryobitools.eu/one/
abnormalist
I would LOVE to see a 9ah.
The cordless blower would be a good choice at that point. Heck even my recip saw and chainsaw would benefit from it.
Pete
Ive done quite a bit of cutting with both my recip saw and chain saw with the 4.0 battery and it lasts really long IMO. Maybe your chain is dull?
if im felling or cutting up a tree im using my gas husky…. the ryobi is only for large branches…. ive actually found that the ryobi chain saw is faster than a pruning blade on the recip saw…
dave
They’d benefit more from using two 18V packs in series for 36V total, rather than more current at the lower 18V. This is practically universally seen with tools and equipment needing more power.
The yeti
All my ryobi stuff is gas powered . Do I ever like my pressure washer tho. I give ryobi credit . They are better built than a lot of people think . My washer has a Honda Motor. It’s good to go . If I replace the pump so what
A W
How much has Ryobi quality picked up since they went from blue to neon green? The blue Ryobi tools I’ve owned were always a big disappointment compared to DeWalt, Bosch, Makita or Milwaukee.
Adam
I think half of the problem was the batteries back then. Still considered a homeowner tool, but several of their offerings are a great bang for the buck. Their nailers perform better than Milwaukee, though that is an exception.
No, they aren’t as great as any of those brands, but they are also priced accordingly
Drew McDaniel
Maybe a brushless cordless compressor like RIDGID just came out with? Claiming it can drive 1200 brad nails on two 5A batteries. Not bad for $200 if it would come in green.
http://www.homedepot.com/p/RIDGID-1-Gal-18-Volt-Hand-Carry-Air-Compressor-Tool-Only-R0230/300507507
Also coming soon from Ryobi is another light:
http://www.homedepot.com/p/Ryobi-ONE-Hybrid-LED-Cable-Light-P785/300508296
rman
There was a short comment on another tool blog (sorry don’t remember which one) where Ryobi is releasing a 10 inch scms that uses two 18 volt packs!! Going the way Makita 36 volt two battery tools have. T his would explain the 9AH battery hope the cost is Ryobi priced below $100. I also do not understand how all the competing slide battery packs have 5-7 extra terminals for cell equalization but Ryobi has one extra terminal??
Nathan
other higher performance packs – and tools – are using cell balancing and temp management as part of extracting all they can out of the batteries.
both during charge (the big benefit) and in some cases during use. Have the ability to know the temp of each side of the parralell circuit is important to know if you’re charging one side too fast and to check temps on both sides is important if you want to get all the battery can get out of it.
Otherwise keeping well below burn temp – if you just monitor the pack whole – and charge the pack whole – then it doesn’t matter so much. But you’ll miss some of the full ability.
Black and decker 20V packs vs Dewalt 20V packs do similar. as do the porter cable IIRC – missing some of the sample pins.
Adam
Never saw the site it was posted on before, but wanted to read up on the saw.
https://toolcraze.net/ryobi-oneone-brushless-18v-10-sliding-miter-saw-p3650b-uses-two-batteries-for-36v-power/
Rob
Over at Toolcraze.net there is a article and photos of a Brushless 10″ Sliding Miter Saw
(P3650B) using 2 batteries.
Plus it’s dual bevel.
Can’t wait!
Adam
The P-194 battery is also referenced on that page for the cuts per charge, which they say is over 800.
I would have to think in the future it will make more sense for larger saws (of any type) to accept both batteries & AC power, rather than produce 2 separate products. They have the tech in their $40 fan, one wouldn’t think it would be to hard to implement elsewhere.
Ironically I just sold my Milwaukee M18 saw yesterday. Luckily I had the chance to help unbox it with the buyer. It has quite the slick design. I liked how the slide bars are underneath the saw, giving it a much smaller profile that I had imagined. (i’ll probably re-buy, but needed $$)
Jerry
Good move. Ryobis weakness seemed to be the batteries more than anything. The compact lithium batteries weren’t anything to brag, the lithium + were far better in my experience. They were more reliable for me, and gave some tools increased performance. The hi-caps were even better. With better battery tech, I’m hoping for Ryobi to come out with a ‘pro’ line of sorts. Kind of like they did with their brush less hammer drill. Users could get a high quality tool for heavy use, more budget priced tools for occasional use, and batteries compatible with everything. No need to spend big bucks on everythig, while still being able to have high quality tools for heavy use.
Joey
Im hoping impact wrench will beef up with milwaukee and dewalt!
Alexander
Hi, have a closer look here
http://ryobi-instrument.ru/product/akkumuljator-one-li-ion-9-ach-18-v-ryobi-rb18l90/
and here –
http://ryobi-instrument.ru/product/akkumuljator-one-li-ion-6-ach-18-v-ryobi-rb18l60/
So 6Amp and 9Amp version
Craig
It sure would be handy with the new cordless beltsander 🙂
Norm
So when are the new ryobi 18v batteries coming out
Rob
Here is a great video I found describing Ryobi’s new High Energy Battery series.
https://vimeo.com/202733359
Chris
Probably the 5ah battery the offer in Europe they also offer more brushless tools
Rog
I have some 9ah p194 in hand now, but not sure when this model will be released officially
Robert A Johnson
I have a couple of aftermarket 5ah batteries I bought on ebay. I love them they not only last quite a bit longer than the P108 but run much cooler.