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ToolGuyd > Editorial > What is the 2022 Holiday Shopping Season Going to Look Like?

What is the 2022 Holiday Shopping Season Going to Look Like?

Jun 8, 2022 Stuart 41 Comments

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Home Depot Black Friday Gift Center 2021

There are still some parts and product shortages, shipping and freight fees are astronomical, gas prices are high, and nearly everything costs more today than in recent years.

What will all this mean for winter holiday season promotions that are set to kick off in a few months?

While the holiday season has traditionally been a gift-buying shopping season, a lot of people – myself included – put off some less urgent purchases, especially for higher value items, in hopes of snagging appreciably lower holiday pricing.

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Cordless power tool combo kits, miter saws, and portable table saws are especially popular during holiday shopping seasons. From what I have seen and reported on over the years, there are rarely better sales or promos than the ones usually planned for October thru December.

The COVID pandemic changed things a bit, but not really. Back in 2020, Home Depot announced that they weren’t cancelling Black Friday, and that “Black Friday prices will be available throughout the holiday season.”

Black Friday 2020 was actually pretty typical as far as Black Friday and holiday sales go, with the exception of earlier promotion of online sales.

2021 was a little different. I wondered if shortages would affect Black Friday and Holiday promotions, and in hindsight, I can say that it did.

I have not done a formal analysis, but there were fewer promotional items compared to previous years’ sales, most notably when it comes to table saws and miter saws. There was plenty of stock, but the selection seemed slimmer.

Inventory streamed in for mid-season replenishment, and Home Depot’s cordless promotions seemed as strong as ever.

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The lead-up to Black Friday 2021 was huge – here’s my final consolidated deal guide.

But things are different now. Higher costs are being passed down to consumers, as retailers can no longer absorb them.

Tool brands have been hammered in the stock market.

While not tool-related, LEGO’s newest building toy sets have higher prices that greatly stray from their typical valuation of 10 cents per piece. The company recent announced that some existing sets will also experience price adjustments in August and September.

You know things are serious when LEGO prices go up.

Supply chain disruptions and delays have affected tool brands’ new product launches, leading some to adjust their announcement timetables.

The 2021 holiday shopping season kicked off in mid-October last year. The manager at a local big box retailer said it was because they ran out of Halloween decorations and the replenishment shipment was stuck on a freighter in the middle of the ocean, but I didn’t buy it. Perhaps partly or mainly motivated by freight delays, retailers scheduled their holiday setups earlier than ever.

No doubt 2022 is going to be a huge holiday shopping season as well, with plenty of Black Friday and seasonal tool deals.

But, will what you’re looking to buy be included in the discounts and promotions? Will it be at a good price?

Some brands have already increased prices. Others have modified their offerings, such as swapping 5Ah batteries for lower capacity 4ah batteries in tool kits, in order to maintain expected pricing levels.

With higher prices across the board on food, gas, etc., consumers are going to have a lot less discretionary spending this year.

Brands and retailers have done their best the past two holiday shopping seasons, to present as typical a holiday shopping environment and experience as possible. This undoubtedly required a ton of planning and strategy.

At its surface, the 2022 holiday shopping season will appear typical, but I’m already getting the sense that there will be compromises and omissions compared to what we saw in past years.

Retailers’ Father’s Day promotions so far have been somewhat lackluster this year, and I’m of the opinion that major companies have been holding back a little, with their sights set on a fuller Holiday season.

This is understandable, assuming I’m observing things accurately, as the Holiday season is always much bigger when it comes to tool sales.

Things are a lot more uncertain as to what the holiday season will look like this year, even compared to the past two years.

Then there’s also Black Friday and Cyber Monday, but they’re affected by the same season-long trends and circumstances.

But, if I’m already thinking about what the holiday season will look like, you can bet that tool brands and retailers have already been planning around current circumstances. That gives me some reassurances.

Still, I’m increasingly doubtful that the upcoming holiday season will bring tool promotions and discounts as broad and diverse in selection as many of us usually hope for and expect.

If this year’s timing follows last year’s example, we’ll get a glimpse of things by mid-October. While this sounds comical, retailers’ main holiday “gift center” displays were usually up just after Halloween in earlier years, and so mid-October is just 2 weeks earlier.

Maybe there’s nothing to worry about, but this is still not going to be a typical year, and I’ve been thinking about how to delay or hasten my purchasing decisions accordingly.

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41 Comments

  1. Rx9

    Jun 8, 2022

    I hate to break this to you, but there will be wars coming to several places over the next few years. Expect a global depression first though.

    The sovereign debt crisis is going to be especially bad in Europe.

    That said, with ongoing currency devaluation, the money we have spent amassing tools is money well spent. A lot is said about the inflation protection from crypto, precious metals, weapons and storable food, but tools are also a great investment in troubling times.

    Now is the time to grab those Chinese value tools you’ve been thinking about. Build some redundancy into your toolkit lest something break.

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    • fred

      Jun 8, 2022

      My perspective comes from over 60 years of tool buying and use. The current times may be unprecedented in my lifetime – but I still think that tools are only a good investment to the extent that you have use for them. Sure, you might make a few bucks during an inflationary period by buying early in the cycle and then selling later should demand still be present. But if we move into a recessionary cycle – as many predict – new construction, remodeling and even maintenance business will decline substantially. In those periods cash can become king. During the Oil-Embargo recession of the early 1970’s then again in the early 1980’s and yet again when the housing bubble burst – my partners and I were able to take advantage because rather than being over-extended we had a frugal approach and had the cash to buy out some businesses that seemed solid but were having cash flow issues.

      Maybe it’s just me – but I’d rather hang on to my mix of investments (including I-bonds, utility stocks, index funds, municipal bonds, corporate bonds, gold coins, and some paintings) plus a healthy cash reserve – rather than stock up on tools when the market for their use may be on the brink of a decline.

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    • Stuart

      Jun 8, 2022

      Please stay on topic. Nothing you wrote has any pertinence to the upcoming 2022 holiday shopping season, or how current events could affect tool shoppers’ expectations.

      No one could have predicted the COVID pandemic and its effect on a domestic scale, let alone globally. Hypothesizing about what the next few years will bring is difficult, especially with global politics as things have been involving.

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      • John E

        Jun 8, 2022

        Er…Bill Gates did; five years prior.

        People just want to believe that the party will go on forever.

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      • Rx9

        Jun 8, 2022

        I apologize if I seemed off topic, but I sincerely believe the next shock to the global supply chain will come from conflict. In a globally connected world, you cannot deny that there will be some effect on the upcoming 2022 holiday season if say, China makes good on its threat to annex Taiwan.
        Excluding “what-if” scenarios entirely, we already have food riots in countries that hold offshore production and service centers.

        I also believe that inflation/ shortage expectations may lead some shoppers to purchase earlier to “lock in” prices. In practice, this may contribute to lower black Friday sales numbers if enough customers saw inflation as a big enough threat to not hold out for black Friday deals.

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        • Stuart

          Jun 8, 2022

          You make a valid point, I was just intent on avoiding the political digressions that could have followed if I said nothing.

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          • Rx9

            Jun 8, 2022

            Understood. I appreciate the efforts you have made to keep the blog apolitical, and I suppose I could have started out with a less bombastic premise.

          • Stuart

            Jun 8, 2022

            Your comment alone would have been okay, but it invites response, and that’s where things can very quickly take a turn. Because of that I tend to be strict, but I always figure it’s best to stop things early than to have to moderate and remove inappropriate comments.

            Whenever I warn about no-politics, it’s usually intended 5% for the commentor and 95% for everyone else.

        • JoeM

          Jun 8, 2022

          I’m… With Rx9 on this whole thing, Stuart. All of the various things that you mentioned as factors that contributed to slow 2020-2022 buying habits for both stores, and customers alike, are all based on political events. Maybe not politics itself, but events that had to be put on a global, political, scale were the primary reasons why we changed our buying habits.

          We just have to ask you, in this one particular article alone, is it safe to talk about political events, such as The War in Ukraine, or the Electronic Chip Shortages out of China, or the Supply Chain Shortages and Protests? fred made some very fair, and extremely relevant, points that come directly from his personal experience with such events in the past. And I think they back your observations up quite effectively. Rx9, Myself, and probably more people as well, are not likely to want to start any arguments about political parties or even politicians on this matter. But there are a herd of Elephants in the Room on this topic, and one can only call them Political Events. They have to be mentioned as touch-stones to anchor where we’re referencing, or others may believe we’re dancing around a political party, politician, or specific government action, which we don’t intend.

          I think this topic may be, to respond in the most respectful way possible to your opening question of the Article: “What will all this mean for winter holiday season promotions that are set to kick off in a few months?” … “Duh” because it really is inundated with all these world events going on, making it obvious what will happen. The question I pose to you is… Can you accept this one thread as an exception to the “No Politics” rule with the provision that we’re referencing Events, not Issues or Politics itself, past and present included, in order to express what we are seeing as the potential result?

          I can use the example of a tangentially-related shortage as a proof of concept for what is likely to happen in the holiday shopping season. I have Sleep Apnoea. I normally use a CPAP: Constant Positive Airway Pressure machine. Almost a year ago now… the supply chain broke down, the shortage of electronics manufacturing hit, and when I had a major malfunction of my machine, I couldn’t get a replacement under warranty. My supplier has been nagging the manufacturer for over a year now, and I still don’t have a piece of equipment that is necessary for my survival. I have an older one, but it doesn’t cut it for full functions, and I’m not sleeping enough, or in any way right. This kind of product shortage may well stunt what I, or anyone in the same boat, might be able to do during the holiday shopping period. Now… that example references many Political Events, but no Politics. Yet it still illustrates a reason for a different holiday season this year. On the consumer end, there may be some who are unwilling to make tool purchases, because events as inconvenient as mine, are of higher priority than tools and equipment. Seeing that drop, may make many Retailers unwilling to put as large a scale of sales out, for this year, and potentially the next couple of years, because they know of the event being ongoing.

          I probably could have written less, but combining the plea for some leeway on the normal ToolGuyd Rules with an example of what I meant, kind of extended what I wish was not so wordy a post. I’m sorry about that.

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          • Stuart

            Jun 8, 2022

            There’s a big leap between “how will current events affect the upcoming holiday season “ and global “wars will be coming to several places over the next few years.”

            Some of the circumstances the global economy and supply chains find themselves in could have been predicted a year ago. War in Europe? That came out of nowhere.

            In truth, politics aren’t a problem until conversations turns uncivil due to heated differences in opinion. Some also treat any leeway as an opportunity to proselytize, and we really don’t need that here. Many can share views, opinions, and interpretations in an intelligent manner, but too many cannot, which results in a strict no-politics policy.

            Part of why ToolGuyd exists is because politics on a popular forum I contributed to resulted in entire threads being deleted.

            First-time commentors automatically go to moderation. You don’t even want to know the kinds of political comments I regularly send to trash. “No politics” is good policy.

    • Stacey Jones

      Jun 8, 2022

      Don’t buy into all the bullcrap going around. Most of it is made up by those out trying to score political points. Temporary inflation due largely to a raging hot job market, Covid & the War in Ukraine is not likely to last…

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      • Stuart

        Jun 8, 2022

        Inflation is part of the current situation, but shortages, supply constraints, and sudden delays are not directly tied to the war in Europe.

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        • fred

          Jun 9, 2022

          Perhaps 10 years from now we will have a better perspective on the current marketplace issues. That might come in the form of a retrospective case study should Harvard Business School (or some other) care to do one. Business cycles are nothing new. It is also not new (in the history of humankind) that events like pandemics or wars can have an impact on economies/prices. Maybe Wassily Leontief would have been able to figure out how all the current issues play into the whole picture. but certainly, his theories and models (input-output analysis) seem pertinent to the current situation.
          In in simplistic input/output analysis related to tools, we might postulate that folks were staying home because of the pandemic. For some that meant that they had less to spend on commuting, lunch etc. That gave them more time and money to fix up their homes. That resulted in a boom in the remodeling business. That resulted in a higher demand for associated tools at the same time that production facilities in China were being impacted by Covid. Worker shortages and transportation issues further exacerbated the tool supply chain. That resulted in a scarcity of certain tools, Scarcity often results in price hikes and/or speculative buying which can result in increased scarcity. And we can probably add in many other interrelated issues that relate other industries (like chip production) to their impact on tool supply and costs.

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  2. Bill

    Jun 8, 2022

    The oil market is probably a big factor in driving the cost of Lego’s petroleum based bricks.

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    • Stuart

      Jun 8, 2022

      That’s possible, but a lot of the high 2022 prices were set and announced prior to more recent oil pricing increases. They cite higher operating costs as a factor.

      Shipping fees, on every part of the journey a product takes from factory to consumer, have also been high, separate from increased gas prices.

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  3. David A.

    Jun 8, 2022

    Thinking Father’s Day is going to be my last splurge for awhile. My cash flow is still good. Been thinking same thoughts about how the retailers are going to react to the pressure of immediate fuel cost increases.

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  4. Gordon

    Jun 8, 2022

    I’m not getting my hopes up. Pandemic, conflict, and supply shortages are simply proving that consumers have normalized a new price. Corporate profits are at record highs, despite everything. Economists are making the case that this is a preemptive move to counter an upcoming increase in minimum wage. Why? Because after decades of wage suppression corporations can no longer get away with it. So instead they leverage their market dominance to move the prices.

    The top 20 Oil and Gas producers brought in over $41 billion in profits in Q1 ’22. That’s double what they made in profits Q1 of ’21. So they cut prices, right? No, they issued nearly $12 billion in dividends, and $14 billion in stock buybacks.

    Similarly beef and poultry costs are up almost 20% leading Tyson food to rake in an extra $1 billion in profits yoy.

    Even look at Harbor Freight. They stopped the coupons and almost everyone thought it was going to cause problems. Well their profits are almost double what they were 5 years ago. They made $5 billion in 2021.

    Prices go up, people complain, and keep buying.

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  5. Jared

    Jun 8, 2022

    Last year there was a noticeable change towards less aggressive markdowns but longer lasting promotions. I expect that will continue – but I am curious to see if that prediction holds true.

    E.g. In years past I recall one or two-day only sales, or limited quantities, but tools sold at substantial discount. Last year it seemed like practically the same promotions ran from mid-November to New Years.

    I made significantly less purchases with that model – I’m gullible for a big discount and more likely to buy things I don’t really need. I wonder how it worked for retailers though.

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    • Stuart

      Jun 8, 2022

      I don’t think that longer-lasting promotions are anything new or a sign of the times. There are always a mix of season-long sales, doorbusters, flash sales, surprise discounts, and such.

      Lowe’s and Home Depot have followed the same pattern for years now, with “gift centers” that are largely unchanged from the start of November. Both retailers pushed things earlier last year, as did most retailers.

      The major difference over the past two years, that I can tell, is in how the extended deals and specials were more actively promoted, instead of simply featuring everything in Black Friday sales flyers.

      Last year there were noticeably fewer SKUs in certain product categories, leading me to think that brands strategically prioritized their factory lines and shipping capacity. This contributes to my uncertainty about what we’ll see this year.

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      • fred

        Jun 8, 2022

        Actually, there may have been some logic to the recent less-than-spectacular sales promotions. As You have stated before. the sort of perfect storm of manufacturing glitches, supply shortages and slow shipping due to the Pandemic may have reduced the inventories available for sales. That coupled to what has been a booming remodeling business – means that demand is high for the tools that are available – so the need for sales incentives may be reduced.

        So, this coming BF-Xmas sales season may actually be better. I say that based on the thought that Fed monetary policy may tighten money supply and recessionary fears (or reality) may reduce demand in the housing/remodeling arena. That could translate into slower sales of tools in the runup to the holidays – thus incentivizing retailers to offer better promotions to move surplus stock.

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  6. Al

    Jun 8, 2022

    The JC Penney and Harbor Freight test of no sales, no coupons showed that their customers want price variation. It appeals to that feeling that one might get lucky and “save” some money. Being told that you’ll never be lucky or special is not good for American consumer psyche.

    Higher “normal” prices are necessary so that the sale prices are still profitable or not terribly performing as loss-leaders.

    I think a lot of this is re-calibrating to the new normal. Tools. Clothes. Food.

    The people who really need something will buy it at full price. Those who have some time will wait. Those who are shrewd will look for returns or second-hand sales.

    Smart retailers will leverage the higher costs to get loyalty sign ups in exchange for discounts. Craftsman had their points system. Harbor Freight has their percent-back on their credit card.

    For the shrewd customers, it means more planning before buying. That’s where coupons and discounts play in. You feel like you’re actively working to save money. Engaging the customers by planned or random price changes will actually help stimulate sales.

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    • SamR

      Jun 9, 2022

      I have a two year old tools purchase list.
      I logged every info, including the prices, so I have a good plan on how and when to purchase, including knowing the best sales and discount season times.

      Everything in that list increased by %15-%40!

      Because of that, I don’t think there is a place for shrewd customers anymore. What encourages me to feel like that is, for example, Home Depot fixed all its website glitches. Rakuten and Honey online rewards are more strict than ever, and for some reason, I feel the credit card cashback %1-%3 is not giving back that much anymore! It seems they are cracking down on shrewd customers and looking for every penny they could find to make more profit rockets.

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  7. Nathan

    Jun 8, 2022

    I think you will no longer see sale prices for things more than 10-15% from now on. No real reason to.

    I also doubt there will be much clearance either as time goes forward.

    The whole supply chain issues rot is a great crutch for companies to eliminate part of their workforce costs, while lessening some of their supply and warehouse costs, and at the same time charge more for their product. that’s a trifecta win right there. OH and don’t forget we have to charge more because shipping is high now too . . . . . .

    Something needs to be done about fuel prices first – biggest issue is the cost of diesel. Hell gallon per gallon Jet A1 fuel is cheaper than on road diesel. that’s not right.

    anyway moving on to the question Stuart I’m not seeing any good fathers day sales like there used to be – and I didn’t see any last christmas either. At least tool related. Clothes it appears there are some pushes for sales but if you consider all clothes are over priced first then the sales are just normal marketing.

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  8. Kevin

    Jun 8, 2022

    More useless bit sets don’t do anyone any good when you can’t afford the materials to screw together.

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    • Stuart

      Jun 8, 2022

      True, but when materials costs are high, one can still look to save on tools needed for projects or work.

      Many promotional bit sets aren’t useful for anyone but beginners, but some do offer a very good value.

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  9. teicher

    Jun 8, 2022

    You know what would be fun Stuart is to revisit this post again during the holidays and see what we got right, wrong, or totally didn’t see coming. 🙂

    The news these days is suggesting that demand is shifting from goods to services, as people are getting back out after years of pandemic issues and are prioritizing doing stuff rather than buying stuff. Retailers have too much old inventory but are still constrained by supply chain issues for new orders. People are struggling with high inflation eating into their purchase power.

    With that in mind, I’ll stick my neck out here and give my prediction: I think that this Christmas season is going to look a lot like 2021 in ways. There will be longer running sales at decent but not door buster prices, and possibly more budget oriented builds and packaging like brushed motors and lower capacity batteries. Could see some of what is already on the shelves in the store now rearranged in a way to make it more appealing during the holiday sales. People are still going to buy tools as gifts, maybe not quite as much, because they are determined to get together with family and really celebrate Christmas without a cloud over their heads. Nice Christmas dinners and other meals with family will be the priority, and people will spend what they need to to make that a reality.

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    • Stuart

      Jun 9, 2022

      I can try that after the holiday season!

      I meant to do an analysis this year, but I was so burned out on deal posts that I kept putting it off.

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      • Mark S

        Jun 26, 2022

        Yes would be interesting to see a follow up on this article after the holidays!….
        It seems like many of the deals at Home Depot in the past few months have not been that great, at least to me. Things like Milwaukee OPE back in Feb and March.
        Or the current Ryobi battery Fathers Day/July 4th deal. Yes, the 2 pack battery and charger for $99 with a freebie is a steal, but the 3pk batteries at $199 with the brushless tool is…not so much a deal to me. Local HDs have piles of those $199 battery boxes still, even after Father’s Day is over. All the $99 batts are long gone. People are going to have to get used to it, as in my eyes that 3pk should have been $149. Just my opinion.
        I think the pricing won’t be as good as it has been in years past, just like my two examples here.
        On a side note…….I’ve seen a couple Instagram videos from other tool reviewers stating that Depot is losing their “deal” with Dewalt, and that is why there are not many Dewalt deals. That their contract to sell their producta ends next year…(!?!???!) Have you seen or heard this? It kinda makes sense, but mostly doesn’t. Yes they had the Powerstack promo endcap, but that was it. It’s been super heavy on Milwaukee and Ryobi there lately.
        I think that is just part of a natural progression in retail, and I’m sure Dewalt will be back on sale at some point, but it made me realize the Dewalt stuff is not as prominent as it has been, at least lately it seems. Your thoughts on this theory? Imagine if HD were to stop selling Dewalt?!?!? No way I say…..

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        • Stuart

          Jun 26, 2022

          I have not heard or seen anything to suggest that Dewalt and Home Depot have changed their business relationship.

          There wasn’t a lot of focus on Dewalt last Father’s Day either, but then they had a massive Black Friday and holiday showcase.

          What’s more likely, that Dewalt and Home Depot are building supplies for the holiday season, or that one of Home Depot’s most prominent partners that is well presented in their hand tools, power tools, and storage departments, had a falling out of some kind?

          Ryobi and Milwaukee presences are already saturated, Ridgid isn’t filling the balance, and Makita certainly won’t. I’d say Dewalt isn’t going anywhere. I could of course be wrong, but what proof is there?

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  10. Frank D

    Jun 8, 2022

    Less tool deals and worse black friday than in the past two years … if I were to guess.

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    • Stuart

      Jun 8, 2022

      Frankly, Black Friday is huge every year. Brands and retailers will ensure it’s a big event, but the question is about how things will be different – how they’ll compromise and adjust to current influences that might be preventing them from executing their ideal plans.

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  11. Roger

    Jun 9, 2022

    Last year (2021) HD didn’t put out a normal Father’s day themed ad. It was more of a “missing pet flier”.

    DeWalt started the year off strong with the promos. This month it looks like they ran out of steam. I’m hoping for some surprise deal that pops up but I don’t see any indication. I haven’t seen much of Flexvolt or the FVAdvantage since. Are power tools going to become similar to cellphones? Like an annual “Here’s our newest greatest with menial improvements over the previous”.

    However, I noticed DeWalt held off for the year end and is seemingly setting Craftsman as it’s bi-annual pony.

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    • Stuart

      Jun 9, 2022

      I have noticed the same, and take it to mean big brands could be building inventory for the holiday season.

      There are usually Dewalt Atomic deals at Home Depot stores. Last year the standard drill and impact combo was at higher price in May and June than their typical seasonal sale price. This year they’re likely building them to ensure ample holiday stock.

      This could be Home Depot’s call, as they’re the customer in the supplier-retailer relationship.

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    • MM

      Jun 9, 2022

      It’s strange. DeWalt has recently released several new tools that have been on people’s radar for quite a while now. The DCS438 multi-cutter saw is out. So are the DCD800 and 805 compact drills and the 23ga pin nailer. They recently announced a cordless biscuit jointer and at least one vendor (Canadian Tire) leaked the DCF900 impact wrench. And just a couple months ago their new impact wrenches and cordless ratchets hit the market too. They also released the PowerStack batteries and new solvent-resistant versions of the existing packs. So I’d say on the 20V max tool front they are doing pretty well. But you’re 100% right they haven’t had much in terms of promos and there hasn’t been much new Flexvolt or Flexvolt Advantage either.

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      • Stuart

        Jun 9, 2022

        FlexVolt Advantage (and Power Detect) are core tools that sit between 20V Max and FlexVolt 60V Max while being able to use both battery types.

        The latest FA tool is a cordless air compressor that replaces the existing FlexVolt-only model. https://14cyiuhvcgv.com/dewalt-20v-cordless-air-compressor-flexvolt-advantage/%3C/a%3E%3C/p%3E

        What else could or should be added to the product family?

        The way I see it, Power Detect is simply FlexVolt advantage w/o a tracking slot, and so that Lowe’s can have a premium offering too since FlexVolt and FA are available at HD.

        In terms of promos, I still think they’re saving inventory for the holiday season. FlexVolt Advantage and Power Detect had a strong presence last winter holiday season, and the same could be planned for this one.

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        • Big Richard

          Jun 9, 2022

          I feel like the FVA air compressor came out a while ago, wouldn’t the DCD444/445 stud and joists drills be the latest? There also was a Power Detect version, DCD443.

          I would think as they develop newer versions of FlexVolt tools, there will be a slightly watered down 20v FVA and/or Power Detect version. For example, if they were to upgrade the FlexVolt table saw to a larger 10″, they would release a 20v FVA/Power Detect 8 1/4″ version, similar to the current FlexVolt model. Same with a miter saw, release a new 12″ FlexVolt and smaller 10″, 8.5″, or 7 1/4″ 20v FVA/Power Detect.

          At least that is my hope.

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          • Stuart

            Jun 9, 2022

            Ah – true, I forgot about that one.

            I think that an upgraded 7-1/4″ saw might be fine in the 20V Max family alone, but a 10″ might be perfect for FlexVolt Advantage. Maybe the same for an 8-1/4″ miter saw.

            I don’t know if we’ll see a FlexVolt cordless 10″ table saw.

            FlexVolt Advantage makes sense for certain tools, but could be hard to market for others. With the air compressor, there are different max pressures depending on the battery. With something like a table saw, how do you describe its performance when using 20V Max of FlexVolt batteries? Rips up to x-thickness of hardwood with 20V Max and y-thickness with FlexVolt batteries?

          • Big Richard

            Jun 9, 2022

            A 10″ FVA/Power Detect miter does make the most sense, especially since Lowes could get in on it with Power Detect.

            I get what you are saying with your table saw example for FVA, but would it be any different than how they rate their FVA circular saw? They don’t rate it at x-thickness with a 20v battery and y-thickness with a FlexVolt battery. It would just have a higher wattage output rating when using a FlexVolt battery. Not saying they will do it, I’m just saying they could and it would be cool.

        • MM

          Jun 9, 2022

          You may well be right in terms of promos.
          As for what should be added to the Flexvolt line, I’d love to see a big impact wrench, 3/4 or 1″ drive. 10″ miter saw is something a lot of people are asking for. Their table and miter saws haven’t seen any major new models in years. A 7″ flathead grinder would be awesome. So would a proper DA sander. Or a belt sander. Furthermore, if a single-flexvolt-battery powered circ saw can put out 2400+ watts out then why can’t we see 4800 out of a 120V Flexvolt table or miter saw? Or air compressor, larger class abrasive cutoff saw, OPE of course, etc?
          I think that Dewalt has done a pretty good job with Flexvolt Advantage and Power Detect. Most tools which would benefit from that technology are available. Drill/driver, recip saw, circ saw, angle grinder, they certainly hit the big ones.

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          • Big Richard

            Jun 9, 2022

            They are getting 3100W out of the new 15Ah battery, a 2x setup with that brick could put down some serious power. In addition to the tools you mentioned, I think some cordless vacuums would be a welcome addition.

  12. Nathan

    Jun 9, 2022

    I’m surprised the new impact wrenches are FVA.

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