It was nearly a year ago that Bosch revealed their new GTS1041A Reaxx portable table saw with flesh-detection technology. Then, in January, we posted about how it was delayed.
But, good news – the Bosch Reaxx portable table saw is officially on the way, with a June 1st, 2016 ETA!
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We’ll have a lot more to say about this saw once it’s in our hands and we’ve given it a go. A lot of what I wanted to say in this was already posted in my Bosch Reaxx preview, so definitely check out that post for more info.
Here is some quick info:
- It will feature new flesh-detection technology
- It will feature resettable injury-mitigation technology that doesn’t trash your blade
- Price, with gravity stand, is $1500
- The saw can respond to 2 incidents per safety cartridge
- Android smartphone app communicates via NFC to provide saw status info and lockout options
- iOS and Android apps provide troubleshooting info
- 15A 4.0 HP Max motor
- 3,650 rpm
- 25″ rip capacity
- Saw weighs 78 lbs
- Gravity-Rise stand weighs 45 lbs
- 10″ saw blade size, with 5/8″ arbor
- 3-1/8″ cutting capacity at 90°
Looks awesome!
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Here’s a Bosch promo video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlVaxcoENJc
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Doresoom
What I’ve been wondering is what mechanism powers the pistons in the cartridges for blade retraction. Is gas or powder actuated, or something else? It seems like if it was a super fast solenoid that it wouldn’t be a consumable component.
Stuart
It’s consumable, based on airbag deployment tech.
I’m thinking that this is a more compact, simpler, and less expensive way to do it. Possibly faster too.
Doresoom
So probably a nitrogen compound that reacts to produce gas? I wonder if they have a way of detecting a failed deployment and activating the second charge in the cartridge as a backup.
herr_derpington
There are videos of cartridge replacement. Looked to me like shot1 to shot2 required a manual action to move the cartridge.
John Blair
As Herr Derpington says, the cartridge requires physically flipping to use the second charge. But since it uses an “Air Bag” technology, I am pretty sure failed deployment of a life critical system isn’t something you have to worry about with Bosch.
Chris
Hopefully not manufactured by Takata 😉
Marty
I’m assuming that litigation is over with between Bosch and Sawstop?
John Blair
Nope. The case is not over. Clearly given the price $1,499 ($200 more than the Sawstop Jobsite) a good chunk of that is being set aside for both legal defense and possible royalties.
In an article dated 4/6/2016:
Linda Beckmeyer, a spokesman for Robert Bosch LLC, told Woodworking Network, “We are vigorously defending our case.”
Linkage: http://www.woodworkingnetwork.com/news/woodworking-industry-news/bosch-goes-ahead-launch-new-safety-saw-despite-sawstop-protest
Bill
So glad to see Bosch prevailed in this case. Can’t wait to hear the full legal outcome.
fred
From what I read – we are still in “the early innings” of the litigation and the score is Sawstop1 – Bosch 0
http://www.toolsofthetrade.net/jobsite-safety/pre-trial-ruling-gives-sawstop-an-edge-over-bosch_o.aspx
David
Now we just need a real competitor to the SawStop professional and contractor saws. I’d love to have more than one choice in the market.
Jon
AMEN
MT_Noob
Awesome,
I was almost going to give up hope and go with a Sawstop instead. But now I can get the one I prefer. I much prefer the non-destructive safety feature.
I only have one remaining question I have not seen answered anywhere yet.
How thick of a dado set would work on this? I know this is really geared toward contractor work for basic cutting and ripping, but I want to also use it with a dado set and some of the contractor saws don’t have much width on the arbor.
John Blair
I saw in a conversation with a manager that because it doesn’t physically break the blade by jamming a block into it, there are no problems with Dado stacks. It pushes the entire blade assembly below the table top, so the same mechanism works with thin kerf, normal kerf and dado blade stacks. Actually one of the plusses in my book.
Bill
I was just looking at the Bosch site for the same answers and the specs for the Reaxx table saw show that the 5/8″ arbor will accept up to a 13/16″ dado stack of 8″ dia or less.
fred
If its like the 4109 that we used – then you have to use the outer blade washer as the inner washer – add on your dado stack then omit an outer washer just securing the stack with the arbor nut. With jobsite saws – since they are underpowered compared to a cabinet saw – we used 6 inch dado sets.
Diplomatic Immunity
I’ll never understand the point of expensive tablesaws. I mean if you’re just breaking down sheet goods or worried about losing your fingers get a tracksaw.
Jacob Edmond
Is this a serious comment or just an attempt at trolling?
Diplomatic Immunity
Is your comment a serious comment? Explain what a $1500+ table saw is going to do that can’t be done better by other power tools. Dados? Is that it? A router on a track could also do that better.
If this were a $500 jobsite table saw I could see the point. But when the cost is as much as a Festool tracksaw + a good Mitersaw + money leftover then I hardly see the point of this.
fred
We probably used our jobsite table saws – more for ripping/tapering trim than any other task. In the shop – we had an Oliver rip saw with a feeder for ripping, used a panel saw and a sliding table saw for sheet goods, used the traditional table saw for cutting rabbets, dados, tenons and mitering stock that a miter saw could not handle. In the field – we were using track saws more and more – but they did not completely replace the table saws. While we never had a major accident with a table saw – were very particular about training, retraining and empowering our workers to be proactive about safety – the liability issue was always lurking. If I were running the business again, faced with the need to replace our jobsite saws,this saw would have to be carefully considered – and $1500 would not be the deciding factor.
Now retired – I do not have a dedicated rip saw – so I use my table saws (Unisaw and Bosch 4109) for that purpose. I have a track saw – and use it for sheet goods. I still use the Unisaw for larger dados and rabbets – because I can control the debris better than with my handheld routers. My table saw tenoning jig is gathering dust – having bought a Domino XL machine. The last pair of small tables that I built have tapered legs – all 8 cut on the Unisaw. If I had the skill of Duncan Phyfe, I could do all these tasks better with hand tools – but I’m not ready to give up my table saws.
Jacob Edmond
Saying that the product is too expensive is not the same as saying a jobsite tablesaw is an obsolete tool, and you seem to be confusing the two points into one.
A track saw does not replace a table saw, period. Yes it can do many of the same things, but not all of them. Have you tried ripping material narrower than 2″ on a track saw? How bout in batches? Or even the stuff you can do, can usually be done much more efficiently in large quantities on a table saw.
The jobsite table saw is a staple of the industry and that isn’t about to change. Track saws and routers have their place as well, but anyone who thinks those make a table saw obsolete simply doesn’t realize the implications of what they are saying.
I can accept that $1500 is just too much more expensive than even the best non flesh-sensing comparable table saws, but I don’t get picking a fight with table saws in general.
Diplomatic Immunity
I’m saying that at the higher price point it doesn’t make much sense when there are a variety of tools that can do the job safer and more efficiently and at the same price point.
The $380 new Skilsaw wormdrive tablesaw for jobsites I can see. A $1500 jobsite tablesaw I can’t see.
BikerDad
DI, you can’t see it because you apparently lack imagination. The saw is very similar to Bosch’s 4100 series table saw, which retails for approximately $600. That’s street price, not MSRP, which is higher. So, while you’re paying a hefty chunk for the safety, rest assured that SawStop has already established that the market will pay $800-$1100 for safety. Competition between the two is likely to lower that number.
But lots and lots of professional tradesmen and contractors have already dropped $600 on the Bosch 4100 or it’s DeWalt competitor, so THEY see the value, even if you can’t see paying more than $386 for a wormdrive tablesaw. And unlike me, these are people who have tools that have to generate a profit.
Jon
You won’t understand because you choose not to. That’s just how understanding works.
I would love to see you knock out a bunch of identical pieces with a track saw in anything less than 4x the time it takes with a table saw. As has been mentioned track saws are also particularly problematic for narrow stock. MANY contractors have both, and for good reason. Each excels in certain tasks while suffering in others. The fact that the only use you can apparently conceive of is breaking down sheet goods says a lot about your understanding of the uses of a jobsite table saw, or any table saw for that matter.
Also, dado stacks are tremendously faster than routers, at least in a decent (not underpowered) table saw. Again, I’m assuming you need to do the operation more than once. They’re fairly comparable when you only have to do one.
Finally, your argument about price sure breaks down when we have to factor in the cost of “a variety of tools” to accomplish the tasks of the table saw, doesn’t it? Interesting that you name the other tools, but only the price of the table saw vs skilsaw. Consciously or not, you seem to be at least somewhat aware of the weak points in your argument. In that cost breakdown don’t forget to include the fact that a router bit will wear out faster cutting the same dado as a dado stack. Two or four teeth/flutes versus dozens. Quality router bits are typically $30+ per bit, and sharpening costs $10+ and time (and opportunity cost) while they get sharpened.
Your argument is not without merit, it’s just nowhere near as simple as you claim.
hermann k.
after cutting 2 fingers and a 29000 dollar! surgery bill,1500$ seems very inexpensive to me.
Frank D
Nothing else needs to be said after that comment. Forget about lack of imagination, forget about cost, forget about tracksaws. and I may go as far as to say forget about 29000. Unless your keen on your name being stubs from that day you got a little too close and got bit, 1500 is a very small price to pay. Also the point of the saw is safety, thats why the Skil wormdrive argument is no even an argument, while the saw itself is cool, it doesn’t provide the same level of safety.
When you can no longer work because you have no fingers or worse in some cases or you are helping a loved one get into the art, I’d sleep a whole lot easier knowing I prevented my son from cutting his fingers off by spending the extra 800 or so. Also keep in mind this is only going to become more common place over the next ten years it will become much cheaper and over the next 20 I wouldn’t be surprised if Ryobi had its own version.
Nathan
Price is way to high for me – but if I ran a shop and this helped on my liability insurance and coverages – then I could see the need.
Otherwise like some of the other features of the saw.
fred
I’m not sure a change-out in table saws would have impacted our liability or workers comp insurance. I’m pretty sure that our rates were based on actuarial information – and heuristics not the type of engineering analysis that Factory Mutual would do if you were a big firm insuring with them. Nonetheless, safe tools and safe workers are a very important part of running a business – and lack thereof will eventually – if not immediately hit you in the pocketbook. Like everything else – first cost for tooling is only one consideration in running a cost-effective and profitable operation.
BikerDad
I’m not sure a change-out in table saws would have impacted our liability or workers comp insurance
A lot of it depends on your insurer. Some liability insurers drill down to a business’s equipment in the same fashion as car insurance companies will rate your liability differently based on the car your drive. Note that the LIABILITY isn’t affected as much as comp & collision, but it is affected. For workman’s comp, because that’s almost invariably mandated by the gov’t (if not actually covered), the costs tend to be aggregated at a much higher level, with every drywall contractor paying at or very close to the same rate, until their claim history comes into play.
I think it’s pretty savvy of Bosch to start with the jobsite saw. Most of the easy pickin change outs (i.e. your current saw works fine, changing solely for the safety features) for cabinet saws have been snagged by SawStop. Jobsite saws, on the other hand, have a much more frequent replacement cycle because they wear out far quicker. As a result, a lot more of the Reaxx saws are going to be sold as replacements rather than “change-outs.”
Jon
I would be very surprised if Bosch makes a cabinet saw, as I’m not aware that they ever have before. It seems to me that licensing their technology is more likely, and that only after the lawsuit is ultimately dismissed or settled, because I don’t see any other manufacturer wanting to license actively litigated technology.
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