CEENR has teased that they are soon launching a One-For-All power tool battery solution that can be used with different brands’ tools.
While Ceenr describes this is as a multi-brand solution, it has the potential to be a universally-compatible power tool battery.
We’ve seen 3rd party “replacement” batteries before, as well as battery adapters, but Ceenr’s solution is different.
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Ceenr’s approach is centered around a battery and interchangeable power tool interface adapters.
I have long-considered this to be the only feasible path towards making a universally-compatible battery, making Ceenr’s teaser especially exciting and promising.
At this time, Ceenr says that their battery, with the appropriate adapters, will be compatible with the following 18V and 20V Max cordless power tool brands:
- Bosch
- Dewalt
- Makita
- Milwaukee
- Black & Decker
- Craftsman
- Einhell
- Porter Cable
- Worx
Ceenr could potentially expand this list by developing additional interface adapters to fit more brands’ tools..
At the heart of the Ceenr system is an 18V (20V Max) battery power source, featuring 21700-sized Li-ion cells.
It features USB-C PD charging, with a complete recharge taking 90 minutes.
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The USB-C PD port is bi-directional, and can also be used to charge other electronics. There’s also a USB-A charging port.
Ceenr hasn’t released many details yet, and there’s also no pricing or availability info.
I’ll follow up as I learn more.
Here’s the teaser video:
John Goulden
Seems interesting for sure, but without some kind of fast charging solution this certainly isn’t going to make any waves in commercial use.
That said, for the homeowner or others who have invested in multiple tool lines, this could be a good fit.
Stuart
If it doesn’t have a UL or NRTL safety rating, that would also keep it from commercial use.
Steve L
Might return tools to the corded days when you picked the best tool for your needs instead of one which used the batteries you owned
ColeTrain
I have rigid tools and recently bought into the skill stuff at Lowe’s because of the sale so I guess I’m out. Lol, I do have some Black & Decker outdoor stuff and can’t find a rigid battery adapter so maybe?
Koko The Talking Ape
You could get the adapter for like Bosch or whatever, and add a SECOND adapter for Ridgid!
Plain+grainy
I don’t see Ridgid on the list. Is Ridgid mentioned somewhere else in the article or video?
Tom E
On CEENR’s website they say: “We are actively working on new interface adapters that work for other brands, such as Ryobi.”
So hopefully that holds true.
William n holsey
Better question is why is worxs, Craftsman, black and Decker, and einhall on that list but ryobi, rigid, and even Hilti isn’t. I’m in the trades. We use Milwaukee, DeWalt, makita, ryobi the most and some use rigid. No one uses craftsman, worxs, black and Decker, einhall, or flex for commercial work
Backcountry164
What company doesn’t offer nearly every conceivable tool you’d need??
MFC
If they make quality batteries, I would seriously consider these. Especially if they had a “Send in your XXXX batteries for a discount” or something like that as a promo.
I would also wonder how they would approach various BMS systems.
The other obvious question is with drops. I have dropped every battery I own multiple times and have never had a battery break (DeWalt/Milwaukee). With this slide on adapter it would have to be very resistant to drops and I think that may be a difficult thing to achieve based on the design.
If they could achieve all of those things so that I wasn’t afraid to plug them into my expensive tools, were reliable, sturdy and cost effective, then…
MB
If they were smart about it, they would bake a portion of the BMS electronics into the battery pack, then add a small shim board in the adapter that allows the BMS to function in a specific way dependent on what platform it’s driving.
So if you had a platform that had an embedded BMS in each tool, the sled could communicate accordingly to allow the tool to handle things. Or vice versa.
There’s obviously some nuance here, but that would be the smart way of handling it.
Rog
Interesting.
I guess there’s no info on Ah yet?
Rob
With 45w charging input through usb-c and 1.5hrs charging time, I think that makes for just over 3ah? Which makes sense for the size of this battery with 21700 cells
Rog
Thanks! I still don’t know how all that battery math works
Ben
Usually you go by nominal voltage (18V in the case of 20V max batteries). Watts = volts x amps (roughly), so capacity in watt-hours = volts x amp-hours.
45W * 1.5 hrs = 67.5 Wh. Divide that by 18 V and you get 3.75Ah. Accounting for some losses and internal battery resistance, 3Ah is a good estimate as Rob said.
Ivan
According to this math turns out 6Ah battery would charge for 3 hours and 9Ah battery for 4,5 hours. I don’t see it working in a pro setup considering that most brands nowadays charge 10-12 Ah batteries under 2 hours. Let alone the adapter thing would probably make the high Ah batteries quite bulky. Another thing to consider is the continuous discharge rate. Currently modern batteries are rated at 70+ amps and rough equivalent of about 1600-2000w corded. Not to forget that most brands are fitting a lot of tech to communicate with the powetool – Bluetooth, wireless lock against theft etc. I can’t really see this working with most modern tools. Probably a good solution for a home workshop etc
Wade
Where did you get 45W?
USB-C PD can deliver up to 240W.
https://www.usb.org/usb-charger-pd
AARON REIZNER
I like the idea, with the following reservations:
– Ruggedness: will it stand up to drops and and such with now having additional connection point. Also, saw dust ingress. No flaps over the USB ports, even? Those would fowl so quickly on carpentry tools.
– It will never have the power-to-size ratio of dedicated batteries on account of the added electronics and adapters. Did they even mention amp hours in the press? Not a deal breaker, but something to be aware when purchasing.
– Ryobi is suspiciously absent, despite having among the largest selection of 18v tools. I have mostly Milwaukee stuff, but don’t sleep on the One+ system. Their work light solutions are the best deal out there, IMHO, and they lots of useful weird tools like the cordless hot glue gone that I just great to have around. Why would they do B&D and Worx, but not Ryobi?
Daniel L
Ryobi’s stem pack design is likely the factor here. It’s pretty radically different than most other slide-on packs. That difference is going to mean that it’s going to cost more to develop that adapter than any of the others.
Makes sense from a business perspective: bring a new product to market, if it takes off invest in expanding the range to cover the more niche designs.
Shoot, with a beefy buck converter they could even cover 12v power tools.
Backcountry164
An adapter wouldn’t be a hurdle. I can download numerous stl files and 3d print my own adapters already. The issue is there’s no point. Ryobi basically gives thier batteries away. I don’t even know how many I own. I’m not even sure how many unused batteries I’ve got still sitting in the package unopened.
Bonnie
There are already a ton of adapters for ryobi tools out there from actual brands (surebonder for example) and ryobi tools and batteries are cheap so it’s probably just not considered a high priority for them versus more expensive platforms.
Philip Cornwell
Dean Doherty (brilliant tool repairer) on YouTube used these batteries while installing a roof, stating (something to the effect)that he had used the drill/battery like a hammer to nudge things in place with no visible damage. Regards Phil
Stuart
That’s not exactly a sign of durability. If it dropped off the roof onto concrete or rock, would it suffer cosmetic or compromising damage?
Stuart
It looks to be a 1-row pack, which would mean 3Ah or 4Ah.
Peck Morris
Yeah, it’s a 4Ah battery pack. for the first batch, the battery cells are going to be Molicel’s
Nathan
It’s an interesting power bank. If you can charge it with the adapter that would be nice. But I wonder what the current throughput will be
Chris
You can already buy adaptors to fit batteries which then fit other brands.
I have an adaptor which fits my dewalt battery so as I can use it in my Ryobi tools, planner, router, mitre saw all Ryobi run on my dewalt batteries. Better performance on dewalt batteries. I been doing this for 5years now
Mike McFalls
There are couple of battery platform alliances (CAS) and if you search Amazon a lot of generic tool companies have been making tools for manufacturer specific batteries for a while. I have a glue gun that does this with makita batteries. It will be interesting to see if this can become the standard versus OEM’s partnering together. I also wonder how this is going to work where manufacturers are programming their tools to check for OEM batteries and only provide full tool potential with the manufacturer battery.
Stuart
Metabo and Bosch’s separate battery alliances seem like more of a way for those brands to leverage the specialty know-how of other companies.
Brands like Dewalt, Milwaukee, and Makita, seem more intent on growing their own know-how and capabilities in-house.
Fein had their own cordless platform, and while their tools were decent, it was another battery system to juggle with limited expansion opportunities. As part of Bosch’s alliance now, there’s more reason to consider their tools, and the company also doesn’t have to worry about advancing their cordless battery tech.
Saulac
I have reservations about the product, the technology, and the company. My BS alerts came on because both the electrical and the mechanical interfaces between the batteries and the adapters are not shown. Went to their website and found they carry run of the mill knockoffs batteries.
Koko The Talking Ape
Yeah, I was curious about how the adapter attaches to the battery too. The video gives a slightly better idea though. It looks like there are grooves in the battery top, sort of disguised by the shallow ribs, that the adapter slides into.
MM
It does appear to slide on to the battery. Funnily enough I have some 3rd party batteries for my Canon digital cameras which have this same setup–but in reverse. The adapter is on the charger instead of the battery. The batteries look like normal Canon batteries. The charger is a rectangular brick that plugs into the wall, and a thin adapter slides onto the charger which the battery fits into. I assume the manufacturer makes batteries for various different cameras and instead of making dedicated chargers for each they just make one charger and then install the correct adapter.
I found this design to be rather annoying because when I went to get a battery out of the charger it was very easy to accidentally take the adapter off the charger instead of taking the battery out of the adapter. I ended up gluing the adapter to the charger so that wouldn’t happen anymore.
I have the same concerns about this design as I do with existing 3rd party adapters for cordless tools: you are adding an extra set of contacts between the battery and the tool. Those contacts have some amount of electrical resistance. This limits current and generates heat. Is this a concern for fairly weak tools or intermittent use? No. But for high power draw tools that is not a good thing. And that will only become more of a concern in the future as tools & battery technology get more powerful.
Stuart
I came up with a very similar idea a few years ago*. It seemed like something that *could* be done, but I didn’t think any brand *would* ever do it.
I don’t have any knowledge about or faith in this particular company. This implementation could turn out to be snake oil, but the engineering definitely seems viable.
There are definitely TONS of hesitations. To me, this is an interesting proof of concept.
*Others have had similar ideas, too.
In a comment (https://14cyiuhvcgv.com/makita-xgt-replacement-batteries/#comment-1391182%3C/a%3E), Nathan wrote:
Saulac
Yes. I love the idea but hate this particular implementation / presentation. The electrical connection could be seen in the left of third image. The mechanical connection is…snake oil. Note how substantial the mechanical connections from all brands are. You cannot get away much from that. I hate fancy demo videos that ignore all basic physics.
Josh Walters
Very promising, as someone who runs milwaukee nailers with Dewalt tools and occasionally lusts after Makita or Hitachi tools these would open a world of possibilities.
s
very conflicted on this one. yes, this is what i’d like. to not be encumbered by battery slot differences when the tech behind it is largely the same across all brands, with only minor differences in output/voltage/BMS.
but i’m having a really hard time being excited about this obscure company, most-known for cut-rate, cheap knockoff batteries, proudly used by people like “WOODEN WORKER, Raya Vincent” per their website.
i feel like they’re promising a steakhouse meal for a mcdonalds price. and while i’m a cheap enough date to enjoy salisbury steak every once in a while, i’m also not delusioned enough to believe that it’s real steak.
A W
Great comment!
I had never had Salisbury steak until I got to my college cafeteria. I was pretty disappointed.
Another Bob
Curious on how they are legally producing these. They have license agreements with 9+ Power tool brands?
I know at one point Milwaukee had a patent on slide pack batteries. Other brands were paying license fees at one point. So maybe they are just paying Milwaukee? Or did that expire? Or is this just a Chinese knock off brand? Website says they are in business for 5 years and list a NYC address so seems like they are somewhat legit.
If they are a reasonably quality cells/chargers this looks like an option for an occasionally used, specialty or a tool with an obsolete battery platform or chemistry.
I’ve had bad luck (like catch on fire bad luck) with knock off camera/go-pro batteries so I’m hesitant to mess with off brand lithium batteries.
Eric
123 Main Street, New York doesn’t seem to exist… At least rent a box at a UPS store somewhere to get a legitimate address.
Jon
Phone number listed is a +86 number which is the China country code (shocking) so between this and the fake address I’m going to wait a bit before making a purchase.
Another Bob
Dang it they fooled me! Good catch you guys!
Peck Morris
Darn, you caught me! I built the site, lol. the address is used as a placeholder, I’ve changed it to the actual Chinese address, and that’s my number up there. lol, I don’t mean to fool anybody thou! The website is not yet complete, and the products are only gonna be available since May, so I took it slow to build it lol.
s
that is probably going to be the biggest sticking point of the brand behind this concept.
it’s really how the “alphabet soup brands” of amazon naturally came to be.
government offices and lawyers take time to build a case, and enter it into the legal system. it creates an inherent loophole where a “brand” has time to become official, sell a bunch of infringing products, and then dissolve–ie, close that brand, but pass off the forms to a buddy to continue using and produce more under a new ‘brand’.
and so the infringing component ends up being sold under a few dozen ‘brands’, despite being built all in the same factory by the same workers.
but because of the setup of the american legal system, each brand is a separate infringement.
it’s a bit like whack-a-mole, but one where the mole will steal someone’s lunch money, laugh in their face, and then pack up and head to a new zip code.
so while the concept of this idea is nice, the ‘company’ behind the idea fundamentally can’t stick around long term because of all the official infringements they’re committing.
the legal ramifications of them sticking around would be financially devastating for any company.
which leads to an interesting case– the only way this modular design can work is if we can trust the company making it, but if the name of the company changes every few months to dodge volleys of lawyers, trust of the finished product, no matter how good, is likely to remain very low.
Ron
Once they get their foot in the door with these transformer batteries, they will soon after launch their own tool line……that only can use their batteries.
Here’s an idea…..How about a battery/converter that has a built-in standard 115v outlet that you can plug an extension cord into whenever you’ve exhausted all your batteries? You can power your cordless tools……..with a cord…..in times of an emergency.
Stuart
If you want corded-cordless functionality, look at Metabo HPT MultiVolt. They have an AC adapter that works with all of their 36V tools.
Jim Felt
Stuart. Why don’t any major tool brands (that I know of) not ever offer AC/line voltage corded adapters?
I know some much more exotic commercial/industrial power tools do.
In many working environments there’s no real reason for battery operation.
Ron
I had no idea these existed. Maybe a future article and review?
Steven+B
It’s a solution looking for a problem, IMHO. It’s too fragile for professional use. It looks like it was designed for photography or professional music scenarios, not something that bangs against a ladder or gets dropped in the dirt or gets exposed to dust and debris. 1st party batteries are pretty cheap if you buy during sales and I trust my DeWalt batteries maybe more than I should…drop on the ground??…meh, it’s fine…leave on wet dirt?…no problem, wipes right off…I’d not trust that around excessive sawdust or dirt.
That has exposed ports and edges that look like they dent/crack easily.
blocky
Yeah, those fairly sharp edges and corners are a no in any work environment. There are reasons every single tool manufacturer has eased corners for tool batteries.
Sean Siler
Making high quality, high capacity batteries is hard, and the results from poorly designed batteries can be catastrophic.
I have no idea who this company is or what their quality is, but knock-off batteries scare the crap out of me. I think I’ll take a pass for a couple of years to make sure they don’t end up in the news.
ClintDurbin
Great idea except that Milwaukee and dewalt/ others won’t be able to utilize the 21700 cells cause the tools have special programming to run on there specific batteries to optimize peak performance also flex, dewalt and Milwaukee are moving into lithium ion pouch cell battery technology which has better performance and charging If your looking for cheap battery adapters Amazon sells a bunch of them some are better than others but the tools can’t utilize the power from other brands like Milwaukee can’t utilize the full potential from a dewalt battery and vice-versa
Stuart
We don’t know what’s in the adapters; it remains to be seen whether Ceenr reverse-engineered different brands’ tool-battery handshakes.
Stuart_T
From their website:
Contact info
Jutang Community, Fucheng Sub-district, Shenzhen, China, 518100
Address
+86 189-8625-7869
123 Main Street. New York, NY 10001
Mon-Fri 9:00AM – 5:00PM
Non-existent NY address and China phone # Riiiiiight……
An undated but still active Indiegogo crowdfunding page:
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/ceenr-one-for-all-power-tool-battery-solution/coming_soon
No mention anywhere of certification. And, as someone mentioned, the user reviewer’s names are faintly ludicrous:
Augustine Nkwah
DIY Blogger
Kindle Customer
Home Designer
Wooden Worker
Er, no. I think I’ll pass.
SlowEng
Domain Name is registered to Alibaba cloud computing. So the domain and hosting is probably Alibaba. Smells a bit fly by night operation to make a cash grab on a crowd funding site.
Mike
I personally think this is a great idea but I don’t think I’d waste my time with this company. Looks too fragile and will probably have suspect cells in it. I wish a reputable company would make something like this or if some sort of regulation forced these companies to adopt a universal system.
Michael F
That charge rate through USB-PD is pretty bad. Most batteries seemingly around this size will charge in a half hour to 45 minutes. That’s really the only criticism I can find, otherwise it seems like a pretty solid product.
Jack D
This is a long overdue solution to a huge market segment. While it certainly doesn’t seem appropriate for the rigors of professional worksite use, it seems perfectly suited for the homeowner/DIY market, where we have a million and one different battery packs and options, not just of the powertool variety, and given a situation where all you might need is a tool or two here or there, as the need arises, here you go.
Not sure about the brand, either, and reading some of the copy on the site is pretty cringe. That said, I think it’s worth keeping an eye on over the coming months and years.
Jason
My thoughts are with all the electronic communications in tools batteries and chargers, it’s not as simple as a generic AA battery in a tv remote.
That being said, if solutions come out at 1/3 of the price that delivers 80% of the performance, people will buy in.
I’d rather see a known brand do it though
Daniel L
The majorirt of that electronics and communications is mostly marketing hype AFAIK.
They throw a simple thermistor in the battery pack in order to let the power tool know when the cells are overheating so the tool can cut out. This about as much communication between the tool and battery as far as I’ve been able to determine.
It’s possible that different brands use thermistors of differing specs. Thats easy enough to determine with an enviornment chamber and an ohm meter. Or maybe they just throw in a dummy load. That could be dangerous in a heavy usage scenario though.
Otherwise, most of the rest of the protection that the battery provides is internal. Overload, low voltage cutout, things like that. The power tool may be configured with its own safety features but there isn’t much that requires the transmission of data between the pack and the tool.
It’s possible that these things have some kind of communication between the + and – rails…but if thats the case, I wouldn’t expect any off brand batteries to work at all.
Curtis Cox
you can run any battery off any tool company on any tool with no damage with a cheap adaptor off amazon.
Dewalt 20v max = 18 volt nominal, Makita 18v, Milwaukee 18v so on and so on majority of tools are 18 v.
yes you have 12v, 24v, 40v and 60v as long as you stay in the voltage class 12 to 14, 18 to 20, 24vto24v and 60v to 60v you will be fine using any adaptor to run your tool off any cheap or name brand battery.
Cheap battery may not last long before it smokes though.
kent_skinner
This seems like only reasonable way to handle the situation. I hope they can make it work. There’s a few tools I’m interested in, but don’t want more battery types.
Curtis Cox
As a equipment manager for a large construction company doing commercial work,
1.5 hours to charge is no good, I would have to supply double the battery’s to keep my guys busy. we use Makita 5.0 and 6.0 with dual bay rapid chargers with a 30 to 40 min charge time even on overheated battery’s.
I send out 2 ea. battery’s with every tool, up to 6 total per worker, with over 200 workers going I run 1,200 battery’s roughly.
I would like a system like this in a commercially viable application, but this system they it is, is set up for personal and handyman use.
Hon Cho
Years ago, Duracell created a line of battery packs aimed at laptop computer manufacturers There were different form factors, but it was intended that manufacturers would choose a battery pack meeting their requirements and consumers would be able to buy replacements from Duracell (or other manufacturers), much like you can buy a flashlight that uses D size cells and buy replacement cells from any manufacturer. This was in the late 80s before lithium chemistry had established itself in the marketplace. Of course, it didn’t go anywhere. Laptop manufacturers didn’t want to limit themselves to the available configurations and battery death was part of the replacement decision for consumers that contributed to future sales. While I personally like the concept, I doubt this system will gain much traction in the tool marketplace for many of the reasons other commenters have mentioned. If a big retailer like Lowes or Home Depot took it on as a house brand, it might succeed but it would upset the calculus of tool and battery pricing for the tool manufacturers.
Jared
Reservations about the company aside, this is great. I hope they make a go of it and that it is successful. Maybe I’m biased since I’m invested in five different 18v platforms – it’s certainly something I could use.
There are a few caveats though – it’s not going to be as compact as name-brand packs. I assume it also won’t use the latest tech (like tabless or pouch cells). It won’t be compatible with multi-volt systems.
Yet I’d overlook all that for the advantage of cross-compatibility.
Tool Junkie
I like being able to charge via USB C, only for the fact that i could charge one in my truck while remote camping.
No info on putting one or two of these in a branded fast charger. Like into the Milwaukee rapid, or DeWalt Flexvolt?
I’m sure that it would not take the individual companies very long to figure out a way to sabotage this, so you have to buy into their proprietary line, too.
Just think about ink jet ink. They went and made it so the ink jet cartridges had to have a $.01 chip in the new cartridge (or a licensed vendor) for you to get your ink (at a price of about $1,000 per gallon).
Jared
Charging is by USB-C only. They are not compatible with any fast-charging options.
That seems like a fair compromise though for being able to ditch any brand loyalty.
Jared
After watching the recent video from Torque Test Channel, I think I WILL be buying one or two of these to try.
They look very promising, despite a few hiccups:
1. They’re not really compatible with the highest-draw 18v tools. TTC showed those tools cutting out as the battery’s internal protection circuitry seems very conservative in how much current draw it will allow. That’s ok in my view (but could be improved) – it’s a 4.0ah pack, I’ll grab something larger for tools that need it.
2. The ABS plastic housing is less chemical resistant than most tool brands’ offerings. Careful using these for mechanical work I guess – though even when I do use cordless tools in that environment, I don’t often spray brake cleaner on my batteries.
3. Slow power drain if left connected to an adapter because the charge indicator lights stay illuminated. That’s no worse than many of my batteries when used with adapters.
Despite all that, they use quality cells and make good power – provided you don’t exceed the current draw limit. It seems like you’re not really giving up much versus OE batteries for the vast majority of 18v tools.
They seem awesome for a person who really prefers to stick with one brand, but would like to be able to tip their toe into a different color for a specific tool or two. E.g. if you’re on team red or yellow but jealous of something lime green – why not get one or two of these packs?
Toolman
This company sounds dodgy as all hell. Wouldn’t trust them their battery to be in my shop or home let alone attached to my tools. Maybe in the future the EU will mandate a single battery interface similar to what they did for USB-c replacing lightning ports. Until then I am sticking with the OEM batteries.
Peck Morris
Hi there, I’m Peck who works for Ceenr. Just saw this blog post and oh boy it blew our minds, we never expected big bloggers like Toolguyd would pay attention to us, and we appreciate that.
We would love to send the battery to ToolGuyd for review if it’s something you are interested in! My email is [email protected]. As I understand, brand statements are not always unbiased. But reviewer’s recommendations can always help us build better products.
I guess the least I could do is to share some details here:
It’s a 4Ah battery pack that comes with various adapters according to your preference.
It supports 45W charging and can be fully recharged within 90 minutes.
The battery cells are either Molicel, Panasonic, or Samsung. We’ll only use batteries from these three brands.
We have built-in BMS in our battery, which provides 5 protection functions (overcharge, over-discharge, short circuit, high temperature, low temperature). For all types of converters, we only provide one positive and negative pole output and one signal analog current output. The current output is provided by the battery pack PCBA. The maximum output protection current is 40A.
We haven’t designed one for Ryobi yet, as the connector port has a unique design. But we are seriously considering a possible solution for this, as many people are asking for Ryobi. @Deniel L got it right!
Regarding how the adapter attaches to the battery, I’ll make a YouTube video. We don’t have a channel set up yet, but I’ll make sure it happens fast.
About silly stuff on the website… The website is not complete yet, and there are some fake reviews as placeholders. I’m still building the website, and it’s not done because the batteries are only going to be available in May.
About the New York Address, sorry, it’s also a placeholder. I’ll update our correct business address right away.
Well, as for the Alibaba domain name… LOL, yes, we are not going to pretend to be a US company, but my number is there. That number starts with +86, and you are always welcome to give me a call. LOL, but international costs can be expensive. After the website goes online, we’ll offer call services, in which case you don’t have to pay for international calls, just drop a number.
Jp
House fires anyone? Scarey if no UL testing. Milwaukee will start putting in tech to detect such battery and void warranty……
William
The more interesting thing is to have an universal adapter to transfer existing battery to another brand, so that no need to buy more batteries.
A
The true solution to this problem is to standardise battery interfaces. Occasionally manufacturers get together and work for all our interests, like with the usb standard, but it used to be governments would force standardisation like with lightbulb caps, sockets and outlets, the dimensions of petrol filling hoses etc. Then we’d have the freedom to change tools and batteries for what’s best on the market, instead of being squeezed for every little % of profit they can from us by making sure that the identical electrical storage cannot be delivered to the tool we want to use, because brand X doesn’t interface with brand ys battery.
Robert Adkins
Yes, that’s what really needs to happen. If the manufacturers don’t do it soon, someone else will force them to do it, and that someone usually screws everything up they touch.
The top 5 in sales (excluding Ryobi) could have a drawing to see whose platform would become the standard, and they could chip in a few mil to the others to change their tooling. The rest culd get a small 1 year tax break.
Or something like that.
Andy
https://youtu.be/CDFMOP0qr3Q?si=Pu-JGFsIuUcsLdJ8
Torque Test Channel bought one of these batteries and ran a bunch of tests on different tools.
Jared
The Indiegogo just went live. They say “Save 109 USD from the MSRP at $218, which is 50% off, limited offer.”
Who the heck would buy a 4.0ah for $218 though?!
$109 USD still seems disappointingly high. I just checked Amazon.com for comparison – a Dewalt 4.0ah is $63.
I don’t think they need to be the same or cheaper, but surely it should be in the ballpark if Ceenr wants to have any success.
The Ceenr battery doesn’t seem that different than a 4.0ah pack with an adapter to me. TTC testing showed it’s designed not to allow high levels of current draw – something you shouldn’t do with an adapter either. It also slowly drains the pack if left connected – also on par with many adapters. The one differentiation is likely safety, since an adapter won’t stop you from abusing it – but the Ceenr circuitry obviously will.