Sorry, this isn’t a cordless router, it’s just Bosch’s 1617EVSPK router kit ($219 via Amazon) – a heck of a good model, but tethered to an AC outlet for power.
In a recent discussion of Bosch’s new Colt trim router, and in another recent post where we asked about the last time you bought a corded or cordless power tool, quite a few people mentioned their desire for a cordless router. Even a cordless compact trim router would be nice.
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Anything that could be made cordless will always see at least some demand – but I have to wonder why we haven’t seen one yet. Surely there are good reasons as to why a cordless router doesn’t yet exist.
Commenters previously pointed out that some brands had in fact come out with cordless routers before, but there aren’t any current Li-ion routers, at least not that I know of.
My thoughts are that power is going to be a big limitation. Routers consumer lots of power and would quickly drain even higher capacity battery packs. Or maybe it’s an instantaneous power draw limitation. So the rate of power might exceed a battery pack’s rating, while also draining the charge quite rapidly.
The router motor included in the Bosch router kit shown above has a 12A peak current draw. That means something like 1320 Watts at peak power. The Colt router mentioned yesterday draws 7A at peak, and previous models draw 5.6A.
When I was at Milwaukee’s media event back in June, I asked whether the new M18 Fuel braking angle grinder came with both common guard types (Type I, Type 27) for cut-off wheels and grinding wheels. I also asked why some didn’t come with both, and why a lot of these types of tools were marketed as cut-off tools and not angle grinders.
Basically what they said was that many of the cordless grinders were called cut-off tools because they weren’t really powerful enough to be considered grinders. So they were called cut-off tools to kind of set users’ expectations accordingly. I guess that makes sense.
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With very power hungry tools, such as circular saws, the saw blade size can be made smaller to match a lower powered motor. A 5-3/8″ saw, or a 6-1/2″ cordless circular saw, which is more common, is going to be less powerful than a 7-1/4″ saw. That smaller blade size limits the size of work a user is going to try to the saw on, and thus it helps dictate the motor that the saw is built with.
But with even a trim router, a 1/4″ collet is a 1/4″ collet, and a 1/2″ collet is a 1/2″ collet. There’s not much you can do to prevent a user from attaching a router with a big router bit that pushes the motor power to its limit.
Maybe I’m completely off-base here, but I’m more and more convinced that power tool brands have not come out with Li-ion routers simple because they they cannot. These days, users demand corded-like performance from their cordless tools. If a brand cannot achieve that, or at least come close, they’re not going to bother.
After not even realizing that I wanted a cordless router until readers mentioned their wish for one, I think that a cordless trim router would be nice. I use my full-size router much more than I have ever used a compact trim router, but if we haven’t seen a cordless trim router, we’re certainly not going to see a cordless full-size one.
Next, there’s going to be an ergonomics challenge. How could one engineer a cordless trim router? Where would the battery go? Functionality and ergonomics would have to be similar to that of corded tools, right? I’m thinking that a cordless trim router could be compact or ergonomic, but probably not both.
This seems like a good challenge for power tool engineers. How do we make a good cordless trim router? Maybe – hopefully – someone will come up with a good question to this in the near future.
Am I on-base with this? Completely wrong? Why do you think we haven’t seen a cordless router in any current Li-ion tool platform?
mizzourob
Porter Cable had a 19.2 volt model a long time ago, not sure how well that worked. I would think the argument is that a router is a shop tool more so than a field tool so there will always be an outlet anywhere a router kid needed. The other big issue is safety, if the balance is bot right and it becomes unsteady you could loose a finger really quickly. I could possibly see a 12volt Fuel/brushless trim router from Milwaukee.
tim
I used to use routers in the field quite a bit for patching floors and what not, cordless would have been a huge advantage but having used the PC 19.2v unit years ago I can safely say it was bad at best.
When the batteries were brand new the router had decent power but they faded rather quickly.
I think they can make cordless routers work to a point but the real problem we experienced with this and the makita units we tested that were never released was loss of power near the end of the battery cycle. As charge wore down the bit slowed down, hence leaving you with a router that just didn’t spin as fast, which is extremely dangerous as a router needs rpms to cut, and people can’t be trusted to stop what they’re doing in the middle of a job and slap on a new battery. Especially when the older batteries just didn’t last that long.
While I could see lithium batteries helping the lack of power I see even more danger in the way they just tend to shut off when they’ve been discharged past a point. This could result in serious injury if you’re using the router when it does that, anyone that’s ever pushed a corded router just a little too hard knows what happens when they do.
Could an audio+visual warning of low voltage make this safer? Maybe but I still think you’d have people ignoring the warning to get that one last cut.
K. Sharp
I own a Porter Cable 19.2v router. With an investment of $35 on Amazon, I purchased the Makita adapter that allows Lithium batteries to be used in the old pod style tools. 30 minutes of modification to the adapter, and 3- 5mm euro screws, and I have a Porter Cable router that runs off 5Ah Lithium Marita batteries. Not ideal for cutting hundreds of feet of deep ogee, but flush trimming laminate, 1/8″ RO, perfect.
MikeC
Can I get some information on this adapter. I also have one of these routers and I found it handy for quick trim work.
Thanks,
Mike
JMG
I believe that he is referring to this one from Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/Makita-Battery-Adapter-Replace-Lithium/dp/B005S6Y4A8
K. Sharp
That’s the one.
fred
In one of my comments on the “Colt” Post I noted that the Porter Cable 9290 hit the market c.2001 and soon disappeared – but that. Home Depot is still selling a Ryobi – 18V trim router.
http://www.homedepot.com/p/Ryobi-18-Volt-ONE-Trim-Router-Tool-Only-P600/100342147
What you say about power requirements makes sense. Comments about the Ryobi trim routers make note that chipout can occur when the battery is not fresh. I’m guessing that a battery operated router – might end up producing more user complaints than good edges – and your point about manufacturers not wanting to deal with unrealistic user expectations may well be valid. All that said – I’m still a bit surprised that no one (not even HF ?) is making a stab at offering a 18V LiIon router for more realistic router tasks like hinge mortising.
Anton
You beat me to it. The Ryobi one exists and I forgot about the the Matrix/BoltOn twins one as well mentioned below.
It does seem to be an issue in the lack of demand for it. Since both of the above a pretty reasonably priced but don’t seem to sell well.
Mike
I would love to survey all the shoppers who walk through a random HF entry one day and have each person define, in their own words, ‘hinge mortising’.
John L
I think Dewalt would be the most likely candidate. I can picture a 20v max router with an inverted 5Ah batery mounted on top. I’d love to see milwaukee do something like that but I think its unlikely. What I’ve really been waiting for is for Milwaukee or Dewalt to update their cordless jigsaws to include both an LED and a dust blower. The $50 5A skil jigsaw I have (12 yrs old) has these features so why don’t Milwaukee and Dewalt?
Nathan
Trim router – ok I could see that.
full 2.25+ hp, shaping router, nope. too much power draw – too much continuous runtime. now if someone got innovative and did a corded/cordless model. use a quality motor (no it doesn’t Have to be brushless for efficiency, but probably would be) and then make some sort of corded adapter piece that took the slot of the battery.
so you could do both. I’d consider that – and I’d consider that a great tradeoff system for something like cordless miter saws and other stuff. I don’t need them to be that portable – but it’d be nice to have both options available.
Drew M
a 12 cell Lipo will do 3000w… for about 2-3minutes. I could see a cordless trim router in the future but the power just isn’t there for anything larger.
Mike
I think ‘cannot’ is prob correct. At least within the confines of a venture-profit system. I mean if for some crazy reason the USAF or NASA or Batman or the Mossad or somebody needed a battery powered router, I’m sure Q would deliver a 007 grade tool toot-sweet. But marketing a portable router seems difficult. Let’s just assume 1/4″ collets only, and comparable wattage to smaller circular saws. Just an engineering nightmare, currently. Cuz the saws drain smaller batteries after IDK 40 ft or something. That’s potentially OK, since saws often are used in bursts for trimming/cut-off jobs. But 40 board feet is small potatoes with routers, even the 1hp range types. Plus, as lowercase ‘f’ fred wisely added, safety is a big time consideration in this specific application. Assuming you’re one of those girly-men with eyeballs weaker than flying steel, or fingers softer than tungsten. So, all things considered, marketing a practically priced yet appealing and safe router—very difficult for sure. I think similar reasons are barring Li-powered gear driven saws. Worm gears are not very efficient, and hypoid gears are not as powerful. Maybe a 36v tool, but prob not since like routers, worm saws often are used for extended work sessions. So not a big market for $800(or whatever price they would be) saws or routers. But a girl can dream.
Garrick
I once considered the idea of putting a pair of 12 volt Lithiums in the handles. It would keep the weight low down, and not add a lot of it. I hadn’t really considered the danger when the batteries get low though.
Jotham McMillan
I don’t have a ton of experience with routers but I have a lot with the brushless motors used in R/C applications. I think it’s just a matter of market or timing. The router would have to be brushless and Li-Ion. The combo of those two technologies is pretty amazing. I think we will see the product you’re looking for in 2016.
Power dropping off as the tool runs isn’t really an issue. It either runs or it stops.
I also don’t think it will use gearing, it will be a pretty much straight drive device with the max rpm dictated by the motor winding.
tim
Thats what I think the problem with lithium is, when it runs then just stops. This is worse than a gradual slowdown in the older batteries if you ask me.
I’ve seen guys go to the hospital with serious injuries because their compact routers came unplugged during use.
As an avid RC guy myself I’m also sure the power is there. Just not the safety.
Nathan York
I bought the ryobi trim router years ago and one accessory they offered was a full size base for it. I use it to occasionally router in hinge pockets on doors and it has enough power for that.
BikerDad
Ergonomics are another challenge. There would be zero market for a company to come out with a cordless router that used something OTHER than the same battery packs as it’s other tools. Which means that you’re either stuck with a small stick battery (12v) or a squat pack. On top of the router. Which raises the center of gravity of the tool. The results of no other handheld tool are as sensitive to keeping your orientation (usually plumb) as a router. Tip a little bit one way or the other and, well, things going sideways isn’t just a colorful phrase, although other colorful phrases often follow.
You could conceivably put one or two 12v sticks into the “handles” of the router, but you’d have to make those handles pretty stout, which means more weight.
But hey, we already have cordless routers. Both DeWalt and Bosch produce them. The RZ18V from Rotozip (Bosch) and the DeWalt Cordless CutOut Tool. Sure, they only have 1/8″ and 1/4″ collets, but they are routers in everything but name. And they’re unlikely to get bigger any time soon.
BikerDad
ps, apparently Makita also makes a cordless cutout tool.
JMG
The US version of the Makita cutout tool is the XOC01, and there is a 1/4″ collet that will work with it (part #763676-1), but it is close to impossible to find. I had wanted to test the XOC01 with a straight carbide laminate trimming bit using the dust collection base (part #193455-7), attached to a Corian plate for stability, but the lack of availability of the collet keeps me from doing so.
Mike
Not cordless but maybe still interesting; I have a Dremel from a few years back called the ‘Advantage’ I think. Accepts up to 1/4″ collets, has a pretty darn decent ‘all-metal’ locking plunge base, and a fairly heavy duty flex extension(1/8″max). The tool itself has a nice optional handle, is around five or six amps, and the attachments are just way better than all the new Dremels. I also have a 4000 and just no comparison. It’s basically a Roto-zip with Dremel versatility. Performance-wise, about on par with DeWALT cut-out. Whole kit was $70.
John
Part of the main concern for me would be the balance. When we start adding batteries to a stripped down motor, handle, and base you have to consider it’s likely going to really screw up the weight distribution having a battery on top. You’ll have this tower (because I don’t see this working well having the battery off to the side) which will make it pretty precarious and top heavy. By making a cord or even relocating the power source off the base and motor (wall wart etc) to the plug end, you can make a much more stable head and I’m addition a smaller overall body.
The second issue as noted is runtime. At best at these massively high rooms these motors get about 20 minutes of runtime (unless you are putting a yet massively bigger capacity battery leading to thr weight issues mentioned above). Some may find 20 minutes fine but on a whole when most people bust out their routers it’s going to be for quite a bit longer than say a “touch up”. For those cases where you just need to do something that small you’re better off using a Dremel or rotary tool for that not a cordless router.
John
Ugh spell check s/rooms/RPMs and s/I’m addition/in addition.
Toolfreak
Asking why some tool manufacturers haven’t come out with a compact cordless router begs the larger question of why we don’t have any number of “X” (insert practical cordless tool here) cordless tools.
I’d guess the answer is pretty simple: companies like to stick to what they know, what they are comfortable with, what they can bank on for pure profit and minimize risk. They’d rather the money just keep rolling in by selling newer versions of the same tools they’ve produced for decades.
Of course, we know that risk-takers and innovators drive the market, so companies can be made to adopt new things if something shows up and is so in demand that they look like fools for not selling that product, but this isn’t so common in the power tool industry. Milwaukee has come out with plenty of products in their 12V line, and Bosch has come out with…not much in response.
As for being possible, a cordless 12V Max router wouldn’t be hard to make AT ALL.
Black & Decker’s Matrix (and the Craftsman Bolt-on) system HAVE a router attachment for the corded/cordless drill. Bosch could EASILY make a router by sticking a router base on a drill-shaped body, (not unlike their corded/cordless barrel-grip jigsaw but with a rotary motor), and even requiring the use of smaller, compact router bits to prevent idiots from using gigantic bits that would overload the motor.
It may even be that R&D came up with stuff like this, but then stuff keeps getting added to it so it eventually becomes less of a 12V compact router and more like their other big routers with a 12V battery and weak motor.
Either that or the guys at R&D who come up with cool tools just keep getting their ideas shot down by management and told to just keep working on new drills and drivers and not to work on innovative tools that aren’t already on the market. I know we’ve seen some 12V tools that Bosch might eventually release like a sort-of angle grinder/cutter, but I won’t hold my breath.
I think Bosch has the potential to be one of the greatest companies on the planet, based on how it’s structured and where it gets it’s money from, but as great as many of it’s products are, they really don’t innovate as much as they could.
Mike
I’m not sure why you perceive Bosch that way. Sure, in the US 12v tool market, Milwaukee currently is succeeding in their marketing campaigns as being an ‘innovator’. Of course, they are probably the most guilty of launching and relaunching and relaunching again, all at end user’s expense. But Bosch has a long history of innovation in all sorts of industries and a strong brand performance globally. I don’t know what makes a company ‘great’, but Bosch probably fits the definition. It’s more accurate to compare them to say, General Electric or Greenlee/Textron, than tti or even Emerson electric.
But my real confusion stems from your characterization of markets. Capital markets are not systems with static properties. Essentially, they morph constantly as various laws are implemented, avoided, enforced, etc. As it stands currently, there really are no markets anymore, only interventions. Corruption is so pervasive in every significant exchange and financial institution that price signals no longer exist.
My most important point deals with the innovation part of your comment. Firstly, when talking about technology especially, most of it comes out of state research and subsidy initially. Once the NIH, for example, does the lion’s share of research, private companies then develop products for market, under the umbrella protection of government enforced patent monopolies.
Secondly, in broader terms, innovation could hardly be rewarded LESS than current conditions allow. Central bank provides money to about two dozen market maker banks(who happen to own huge chunks of just about every company, Milwaukee included) at effective NEGATIVE interest rates after correction for inflation. The effect of all this loose capital allows actors to participate in markets that they would otherwise not be able to compete in. It basically widens the margins of how (un)competitive a company needs to be to keep their doors open.
Toolfreak
It’s not perception, it’s reality. You can go to Bosch’s website and see what 12V tools they offer in the entire lineup. You can go to Milwaukee’s, Ryobi’s, Black & Decker’s, even Craftsman’s, and see what they offer.
Bosch simply doesn’t offer the amount of 12V cordless tools that they could, even if that means only adding a few more tools similar to what’s already on the market by it’s competitors.
You’re talking about a different kind of innovation. The motors used in these things have already been developed and are well understood and manufactured en masse. It’s not going to take a whole lot of R&D for Bosch to stick a motor in a housing that makes a router bit turn. They just DON’T DO IT.
The “innovation” here is just in bringing out a better version of a tool than what already exists. They did it with the compact reciprocating saw, and that thing is awesome. They could make mini versions of a lot of tools with the 12V platform, but they don’t.
Maybe they don’t have manufacturing capacity to do anything more than the current line of 12V Max tools. Maybe they don’t want to risk manufacturing a tool in the 12V line unless they can be sure it will sell to millions of people and they won’t have to discontinue it for poor sales.
Mike
OK. I was just addressing what you posted originally. But if now, the only important aspect is 12v lineup diversity in the USA, I thought I already agreed with you. In the USA, Milwaukee clearly is currently top-dog in the 12v world. But in EU/world market, all the Craftsman/B&D type tools are widely available. Grass trimmers, tile shears, probably pencil sharpeners. As far as manufacturing capacity, Bosch has it. They make parts for F-16’s and satellites, industrial automation, medical, you name it. BTW, the only C-Man power tools I ever liked were Bosch re-brands. That’s just me.
Toolfreak
I think the reason for the lack of tool diversity in the US vs what’s available in the EU/world was addressed in a post not too long ago.
Apparently getting the required approval for new tools isn’t worth Bosch’s time and/or money. I’d guess they have the process down and streamlined for drills/drivers/saws and even corded routers, but some of the existing cordless tools would just be too troublesome to bring to market in the US.
Either that or, like I said, production capacity. Bosch isn’t likely to bring a tool to the US market if it already sells all it can manufacture in the EU and a few other countries that don’t have the same regulations as the US.
Not that I’m advocating against regulations – I like my tools having UL approval and meeting certain safety standards since it keeps most of the junk out.
Mike
Yes, agreed. I don’t know any more about Bosch’s internal plans than anybody else, but I -think- I read something recently on one of their 100 websites about how they were not super interested in the first-world high end tool market. You know ‘brushless’ or ‘Festool’ type stuff. They were saying they target world markets currently, cuz people in poorer less industrialized countries still have big demand for drills and saws Americans wouldn’t look twice at.
I also like UL etc certification, but I suspect there is more there than meets the eye…you know special interest, big business, anti-competitive backroom lobbying sort of stuff.
On one hand, American and Canadian sold tools are generally pretty safe. But with medicine, food, chemicals, everything really the EU has a preventive model with generally stronger safety barriers than the US. But with tools it’s weird…Festool, Bosch, DeWALT, Einhell, and everybody sell all kinds of saws, routers, vacuums, etc. that cannot be sold(and often no shipping either) to the USA. I suspect there are more than safety issues at play here. Just speculation though, as to why that is. The Mafell Erica saw, or Makita/Bosch/DeWALT over-under saw, or Festool table saw, are surely not unsafe.
Hugh
I don’t see what Bosch has come out with that is particularly original to there brand! They didn’t do anything with their 10.8/12 volt line until Milwaukee/Dewalt/Makita took that ball and ran with it. Their 18 volt products are hard to find except online. Their lasers aren’t that visible compared to Hilti’s. I just recently had a Bosch laser get knocked off the wall, sent it in for repair, was told they don’t make the part to fix it. The laser was barely out of the three year warranty. You know what they do to fix it when it is under warranty? They throw it away and give you a new one.
I don’t understand why people are hoping bosch will be great? They are not! They have a couple of original ideas occasionally. They have nice miter saws , table saws, and rotary/breaker hammers.
What happened to all the pneumatics they came out with a couple of years ago?
You can delve into all the market rederic you want, but I don’t have anyone walk up to me telling me how great some Bosch tool is.
Mike
You’re completely right. After effectively establishing 12v Li power tools in the USA, Bosch did not respond strongly to later subsequent entries who innovated-by coming into the market later.
There’s a reason that MANY products are hard to find, except online. Like Festool is one example. Or Rolls-Royce. Scarcity at brick and mortar venues does not necessarily indicate poor quality.
And the new torque-safe drills, wireless charging, axial glide saws, modular drills with SDS capability…meh. Say where DOES SDS technology come from? And what’s a jig saw?
Oddly, you compare Bosch lasers unfavorably with Hilti, but then praise Bosch roto-hammers. That’s just weird.
All over the place, products are engineered to break the second the warranty ends.
And you don’t like Freud saw blades? Dremel tools? Roto-zips? Skilsaws? Their jigsaw blades are hard to beat. Nice routers too. Nice drill bits too.
If you only are impressed by in-person testimonials, go ask Tom Silva about his all time favorite circular saw. Bosch 1677.
Bosch is what it is. Gigantic worldwide company. Also sells tools in the USA. Not a lot of tools. Make nice washers and dryers. Oil filters too. Also automated factories…they make those too.
Rhetorically speaking, no one has ever walked up to me to tell me how great Bosch is. Or any company really. But somehow they still make billions and billions.
Oh wait, one time a guy DID walk up to me to tell me how great Milwaukee is. A Milwaukee rep at HD.
So to you, maybe Bosch is the Ford of tools. Or maybe the GM. But what it ain’t is Kia.
Mike
forgot to mention their 36v tools. Pretty awesome they just released 36v 4aH batteries. ps, don’t drop lasers. Even Hilti lasers don’t like being dropped. But if how well a tool survives drops is important to you(it is for lots of people) I respectfully recommend Bosch’s PR shtick from a year or two ago where they had a whole contest/campaign where the dropped Brute drills out of helicopters. Sorry for the long posts, Stuart and co.
Hugh
Correct me if I’m wrong but aren’t you preaching the Bosch gospel here? Bosch didn’t invent the skilsaw, Skil did. The great conglomerate that Bosch part of purchased them and delivered us a bunch of home owner grade tools, just like Stanley did with Porter-Cable.
Next time I need to put some trim on with helicopter I’ll think of Bosch.
The Carvex makes better cuts than any bosch jigsaw.
I like Freud blades and bits but don’t think of Bosch when I buy them, that is probably why they don’t rename them Bosch blades and bits because no one buy them. I’m not a huge fan of all these big companies gobbling up the small ones and turning them into home owner/diy brands.
Mike
Bosch gospel? Hardly. Porter-Cable/Bostitch power tools are actually pretty good quality, and great value on sale. I picked up the angle grinder and jigsaw(Bostitch) for $29each at Menards. I don’t like the new P-C and Ridgid stuff just cuz they are hard to keep clean. Though there’s no argument that today’s P-C is not even close to the days when P-C/Rockwell sold tools with metal bodies, in terms of durability. But the same is true of Milwaukee, and everybody else. As far as the Carvex…well, I do not agree. I actually sold my A/C Carvex, but still own three Bosch jigsaws. But that’s not important, Bosch and Festool both sell very nice jigsaws. HOWEVER, if you are SERIOUS about jigsaw performance and durability, check out Mafell. Best retail(non-industrial) saws around. Hands down. Very spendy though. I paid $695+37s&h. Used it hard for two years(marble, granite, SS) and sold it to a very happy buyer for $750.
My main point to you was just this: where goes Makita, DeWALT, and Milwaukee, so too goes Bosch. If any one of these brands was truly superior, well we’d all know basically.
And Freud stayed red cuz all companies do that. No point buying brands for their value, just to relabel. Breakfast cereal ans pencil companies do the same.
I will say one thing though: don’t discount Bosch branded bits and blades too quickly. Their Daredevil circular and recip blades are great values for rough or demo work. Their jigsaw and OMT blades are the best on the shelf. Their driver bits(some) are really very good, as good as Wiha, Wera, or Felo.
And their SDS Bulldog Extreme are the best, unless you take out a mortgage for some Hilti or Metabo.
Hugh
I’m all for a tool being cordless. I think with the higher amp hour batteries and brushless motors many tools will be possible. I think a double battery router could be a possibility for both power demand and balance.
As for safety, if you don’t know big bits shouldn’t be used in trim routers you shouldn’t be in construction. Course you would know that because your Journeyman or Master Carpenter would have taught you that. Sense would tell you if you don’t know ask or use Google.
fred
Just because you can chuck it and the opening in the base will accept it – really “Big” bits should not even be used in a 3+HP handheld router – that’s what a router table or shaper is for.
Hugh
I know that, do you think a diyer knows that?
JMG
While we are wishing for new cordless tools this holiday seasons, I would add my wish to the list. I would like a cordless belt sander.
It doesn’t have to have a large belt or super long run time. I only need a belt sander generally for installation type of work where I need to form an end panel to a wall, or for a quick knock down of some material surface that I can’t use my cordless planer on. These days, a belt sander has limited use in my shop, but it is still a requirement in the tool kit. Outside of routers and large orbital sanders, it is one of the few tools that force me to drag along the many extension cords required to reach those unpowered job locations.
If the tool Santa would be so kind?
Toolfreak
I think a 18V cordless 3 x 18 belt sander would be possible.
I’d like to see a scaled-down 12V Max version though, something that used a 2 x 10 belt, or maybe even something smaller/thinner like 1 or 1.5 inches wide.
JMG
On an entirely unrelated note: The Contact ToolGuyd form seems to be broken. Is there a limit to the amount of text being sent or something? Currently hitting the send button starts the spinning arrows but fails to send the message.
Stuart
Thanks for letting me kno@ I just tested and it seems to be working.
I’m not sure what the issue might be. Are you trying to send a message on a desktop computer or mobile?
Is there any error message below the “send” button?
JMG
Sending from my Laptop, and no error message is being triggered. I tried earlier this morning and let it sit for 30 minutes or so after hitting the send button, but no joy. I just tried again just now and nothing happens.
JMG
Sent a short test text, received the sent confirmation, but did not receive the email confirmation for the message.
Stuart
I received one test message at 11:53am.
JMG
Attempting to send the longer message still gets nothing. I do not have your regular email contact, so if you send me an email I can reply with the longer message, if that would help determine the issue.
Phil k
Every now and then I find that a cordless router would be nice to round stair treads or to trim laminate. What i do and works for me is i just put 1/4″ shaft router bits in my Dewalt cordless cut out tool for dry wall. Seems to work fine for me not like i am making cabinet doors or cutting out a bunch of material.
Pablo
Hope this doesn’t get missed because I’m diggin up an old post, but this is pretty interesting.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LJEIOCEFl8