The Dewalt FlexVolt sliding miter saw kit, DHS790AT2, is on sale at Amazon for $699, which is $100 lower than its regular price.
$699? How’s that a sale price?!
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Well, you get the latest and greatest Dewalt 120V Max DHS790A 12″ double bevel compound sliding miter saw, a dual port fast charger, 2x 6.0Ah FlexVolt batteries, and an adapter that allows it to be powered from any typical AC outlet.
The miter saw by itself, plus the 120V AC adapter, is $649 via Amazon. So, for just $50 more for the kit, you get the dual port charger and 2x FlexVolt battery packs, which can be used for any Dewalt 20V Max, 60V Max, or 120V Max power tool.
FlexVolt battery packs, which are hard to find in stock these days, retail at $149 each. So for $50 more than the bare tool, you get $300 in batteries, not to mention the rapid charger.
Correction: I either wasn’t aware or had forgotten, but you can get a 2-pack of FlexVolt battery packs for $199!
The saw is pricey, but it’s also the best miter saw I’ve ever used, and that includes corded miter saws. It’s certainly the most powerful cordless miter saw I’ve ever used, and I believe the only 12″ one on the market.
Did I mention that it’s equipped with a brushless motor? Dewalt says it can make up to 289 cross cuts in 3-1/4″ baseboard molding per battery pair charge. As it’s a 120V Max FlexVolt tool, it requires 2 batteries to operate.
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Although I donated our review sample of the Dewalt DWS780 sliding miter saw (reviewed here), and can’t do a direct hands-on comparison, I’d assume that this FlexVolt model was heavily based off of it. Based on specs and capabilities, I think that the FlexVolt miter saw could very well stand in for the DWS780, especially since it comes stock with an AC adapter.
But, keep in mind that a lot of retailers have a special going on right now, where you can get a free Dewalt miter saw stand with your DWS780 purchase.
It looks like Amazon and Home Depot are both offering this $699 sale price. Others might too, but right now it looks like the FlexVolt miter saw kit is full price everywhere else.
Price: $699 with free shipping
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Here’s a quick intro video that we took at the 2016 media event:
Here is Ben’s hands-on reporting of the miter saw and other new FlexVolt saws.
Acme Tools has a Low Price Guarantee policy, but they’re also running their own special. Buy the saw at its regular price of $799, and you can get a free miter saw stand, DWX723F, valued at $199. It’s automatically added to your cart before checkout.
Price: $799 with free shipping
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Ryan
If you were exclusively a Milwaukee guy, had thoroughly bought in to their lineup and had no dewalt 20v max tools whatsoever, would you purchase the m18 fuel Miter saw with two 9.0 batts or this flexvolt kit?
JC
I am a Milwaukee guy, have their 46″ and 60″ tool chests, as well as three impact drivers, 2 drills, 2 sawzalls i think you see where i’m going with how bought in I am. I am leaning very heavily towards the dewalt for 1 reason and 1 reason only. The ability to go corded in addition to battery power. If Milwaukee had gone this route I’d stay team red but i think they had a misstep when they didnt include the ability to go corded as well. One day those batteries will give out and be discontinued and you will then have a perfectly good miter saw with no way to power it.
Ryan
I can understand that, I have to imagine Milwaukee has a similar style adapter in the works. It would be a huge oversight not to develop one themselves
Stuart
It’s a lot more challenging and lossy, not to mention cumbersome, to step up from 18V DC to 120V AC than it is to go from 120V Max (108V nominal) to 110V AC.
madnys
or they have used a universal motor which makes it very easy
Addicted2Red
You would be stepping 120V AC to 18V DC. Not the other way around.
Totally do-able. But the amperage and loss would be killer.
Stuart
Sorry, you’re right. But still, it would require large components and lead to costs most potential users would not be willing to pay.
Ryan
I’ve also heard from multiple sources (including dewalt and milwaukees own claims) that I’d get more runtime from the milwaukee’s one 9.0ah batt than dewalt’s two bundled flexvolt batts (400 cuts of 3-1/4″ base mounding vs Dewalt’s claimed 289 cuts). The dewalt has greater capacity of course, being a 12″ saw, but is also significantly heavier. Even if they were priced the same I can see benefits on both sides.
Stuart
Yes, but the Dewalt has more power and greater capacity. The larger the saw blade, the bigger the motor.
I haven’t done side-by-side performance testing yet, but that’s at the top of my list for December.
It’s a tough comparison.
Chris H
I agree with JC: if Milwaukee had come up with a power adapter (maybe they still will?) Id be all over the M18 cordless, especially with the current 150/200 off promo going at HD.
I have a corded 12″ Bosch SCMS. Its HEAVY and I find myself not really needing the extra capacity very often, so the smaller capacity of the M18 miter saw would actually be an advantage IMHO (at least in my case)
Steve
seeing as the batteries arent much different in terms of power density, why would you go for dewalt?
Ryan
They are very different in power density. The two flexible batteries when running on the miter saw effectively give you two amp hours of power well the Milwaukee gives you nine. Granted, the Dewalt produces more power but it’s also turning a bigger blade through potentially thicker materials.
Ryan
*flexvolt, not flexible. Damn autocorrect
Matt
An amp hour is a measure of stored energy, 6amp hours plus 6 amp hours is 12, not 2. The Milwaukee battery is built to discharge more efficiently, but it still only has 9 amp hours. The difference is in the power output, how many watts is each using for a cut. The 12″ blade is going to use more energy to spin, hence its smaller number of cuts.
Stuart
The batteries are connected in series, to give you 120V Max battery voltage, so the charge capacities are not combined together.
The batteries are 20V Max and 6.0Ah, or 60V Max and 2.0Ah. 120Wh either way.
The 9.0Ah/3.0Ah batteries are on the way.
On paper, yes, the Milwaukee M18 9.0Ah batteries have greater power potential – 180Wh if you pretend that M18 = 20V Max for math purposes.
But when the new Dewalt batteries are out, they’ll match that 180Wh power potential.
It’s tough to compare apples and oranges, but I tried to do so here:
https://14cyiuhvcgv.com/dewalt-flexvolt-vs-milwaukee-m18-high-demand/%3C/a%3E%3C/p%3E
Ryan
Nov 4, 2016
Not so. As Stuart has previously posted, “Dewalt will be launching the FlexVolt product family with a 6.0Ah battery pack (20V Max mode). In 60V Max mode, it will have 2.0Ah capacity. In 120V Max mode, which requires 2 FlexVolt batteries, the capacity will also be 2.0Ah.”
And even when the new 9.0 versions are released down the road, it will still only provide 3.0ah with the two batteries combined.
Stuart
True, and it’s also worth mentioning that even though the Dewalt 9.0Ah battery will provide 3.0Ah charge capacity at 60V Max, the use of a 60V-rated motor would mean lower current draw.
Since new larger-sized cells are being used in the 9.0Ah battery, in theory that battery should be able to out-perform Milwaukee’s M18 9.0ah battery pack, at least on paper.
Corey
The dewalts flexvolt motor produces considerably more power, and has a greater efficiency curve given the higher voltage
Stuart
Because Dewalt’s FlexVolt system gives rise to tools Milwaukee just cannot offer yet, even with High Demand batteries, such as their 12″ cordless miter saws and a 8-1/4″ cordless table saw.
Lynyrd
I was going to invest in the Bosch GCM12SD 12 In. Axial Dual-Bevel Glide Miter Saw, The Axial Glide is unmatched . . . but having a unit with the flexibility of Cordless and Corded may tip the scales.
I have never been a DeWalt Fanboy, however from time to time they come out with models which clearly stand out in the industry. Their Corded DW735 Planer and the 20″ 788 Scroll Saw both are great examples, and this saw seems to be in that category. I will be very interested when Stuart has a review of this.
In fact, a user comparison between this DeWalt Miter Saw, Milwaukee’s cordless Miter saw and include a couple corded versions (Bosch/Makita maybe) would be very beneficial. We have all the specs but testing real world power is important.
fred
I have a GCM12SD on a gravity-rise stand in my garage shop. I love it until I need to load it into a truck – then it becomes a heavy beast. I do think I’d still buy it if I had to do it again.
BigDan
I don’t see myself replacing my 12″ glide for many years. It’s the center of my shop and use it all the time. One of those tools you get excited about every time you get to use it. FYI I hooked up my festool dust extractor and it sucks up most of the dust. I don’t even feel the need for a dust hood. I’ve hooked up my shop vac and my powermatic dust collector with a reducer and neither collect as much as the festool. It gets the velocity up there so fast and feels like the saw was built for a smaller hosed extractor like this.
fred
Maybe its time to upgrade to a Festool dust extractor. My old Fein (looks like a Dalek) dust extractor doesn’t seem to get everything with my GCM12SD. Good enough for the garage or lawn – but less than perfect for setting up indoors.
BigDan
Alright maybe I embellished it a bit. You may still be ok with your Fein – I wouldn’t use mine indoors. It’s not that good. The saw is too open for that. My Bosch electric hand planer i would – and my bulldog hammerdrill with the dust attachment I would, but not the saw. But I do stand by it collecting the majority of the dust through the chute when the festool extractor is hooked up vs. the shopvac or the dust collector.
Tim
I am in the market for a miter saw and am seriously considering going cordless.
I am already invested in the M18 lineup albeit not heavily but do handily prefer Milwaukee tools.
Where milwaukee is losing me isn’t with voltage or ability to run a cord but by not having a compatible table saw.
I don’t want another battery system but that dewalt table saw is nice and I had a very nice Dewalt table saw that I loved get stolen before and am seriously considering jumping into flexvolt to purchase one and then adding the miter saw later.
Luke
Since you’re already invested in the M18 line, I’d go with the Milwaukee miter and a corded Dewalt table saw. You can’t beat Dewalt’s portable table saws, but I wouldn’t buy into a whole new battery system if I could avoid it.
Steven
What luke said.
As nice as dewalt is, for the frequency of use for one tool, a table saw at that, Them poor batteries wont get cycled through with the same attention as your m18s.
I have the dewalt compact jobsite table saw with 24″ rip capacity and love it alot, also it is very inexpensive….use the extra money and buy some m18 batteries?
Also to add to this article, dewalt has a step up to milwaukee by the sheer fact of that simple 120v power cord adapter.
It is such a simple device that can make a world of difference for portable cuts or shop cuts when a guy doesnt want to babysit batteries……i tip my glass to you dewalt……and shake my head at milwaukee(and Im a milly fanboy too)
Nathan
since I was in the market for a new mitre saw I was honestly thinking hard about this model. but it’s so much more than the corded counterpart that I don’t know if I can justify it. But I was close.
They need to ditch that toy tablesaw idea and do a dual Flexvolt full 10in table saw too. use the 7490 frame etc.
but I dream
Chance
DWS780 is $600. The Flexvolt is $700 with two Flexvolt batteries and an AC adapter. So basically for $700 you are getting a DWS780 and two batteries that are worth $200. The extra $100 spent on the Flexvolt is well worth it, just for the batteries, never mind the convenience.
Luke
After seeing the new Dewalt and Milwaukee miter saws compared and discussed in this video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Vq0KNu8Ufk), I’m definitely opting to go with the Milwaukee miter saw.
I just see way more cons with the Flexvolt…
– it’s 44% heavier
– it’s 66% more expensive than a comparable Milwaukee kit (more on that below)
– it requires 2 batteries
– it’s not compatible with the existing Dewalt battery system (they MUST be Flexvolt)
– batteries take 2 hours to recharge (vs. 45 minutes for a M18 9.0Ah)
– and this still doesn’t make sense to me, but the Milwaukee with 1 battery actually outlasts the Dewalt with 2 batteries.
Right now the M18 saw comes with a free 2nd 9.0Ah battery for $600. The equivalent Flexvolt miter purchase would cost me $1,000 ($700 for the saw kit, an another $300 for a backup SET of Flexvolt batteries).
The only major upside I see of the Flexvolt is the AC adapter. That is a nice option, and in reality it probably negates the need for a set of backup batteries for many users.
Jon
You are comparing a 12 inch saw to a 10 inch saw, obviously it’s heavier and more expensive and uses more watts per cut!
The DeWalt has the larger cut size capacity and no matter how much lighter or cheaper the Milwaukee is it will never make the same depth of cut because the blade is 2 inches smaller diameter!
Luke
No argument there. For me the minor increase in capacity and power is outweighed by the other cons though. Heck my current miter is a non-sliding 12″ DW715 Type 1, so both options are a major capacity increase. But very rarely will I need the ability to crosscut something larger than a 2 x 12, and when I do there’s the crosscut sled on the table saw.
I’m not trying to speak for anyone else, just my reasons and perspective for going with Milwaukee over Dewalt this time around. The M18 miter should handle 99% of my needs, and it will do it cheaper, lighter, and within a well established battery system.
BikerDad
“well established battery system”
THAT right there would, everything else being equal, lead me to pick the DeWalt.
Yes, the DeWalt. Why? Because you can still get NiCads from DeWalt. You can get an adapter that will allow you to use your 18v NiCad tools with the newer Lithium Ion batteries. HOW many battery systems has Milwaukee abandoned already? They are the king of abandoning battery formats. DeWalt is the king of continuing to support them.
Luke
I dunno, how many have they? This is a fairly new interest for me, so I don’t know any of the companies’ history.
My point is that there is no adapting any battery that came out before the Flexvolt to power this saw. Converting up your old 18v batteries is a great feature, but all the new Flexvolt tools they’re coming out with require an investment into a whole new battery system to function.
I’d be pretty annoyed if I’d already invested a couple hundred into a handful of 20V Max XR packs, and they can’t be used in any way with the new miter and table saws.
Ryan
Milwaukee has produced m18 for nearly a decade now and the sheer number of tools they’ve produced on that platform is unrivaled by any other brand. The fact they stuck with it for their new flagship tool proves there’s no end in sight for m18.
Ryan
To me the one inch greater depth of cut isn’t a huge benefit. If all you do is large crown then I can see it, but otherwise there just isn’t much job site lumber the Dewalt can cut that the Milwaukee can’t.
fred
If you need a 12 inch saw then that would tip you to Dewalt. If a 10 inch blade is all you need – then …
Ryan
I wish both saws would have put more thought into dust collection. A cordless saw is more likely to be used on case/base, going room to room, and anytime I’m indoors cutting, a little dust management goes a long way to saving me time on cleanup and client satisfaction
Luke
Agreed. Especially with them being cordless, the last thing I want to do is drag around my giant shop vac anywhere I set up. I wish both saws came with a system to pull dust into the bag that the user could toggle on or off. Sort of like the Dewalt jigsaw with the switch to blow debris from in front of the blade so you can see your cut line.
fred
I agree – dust and debris (even if you clean up afterwards) has become a big issue for many clients. They have been educated to be fearful about what might be in the debris that gets airborne and the lingering impact that it may have on their health. I know that you can not make an omelet without cracking eggs as the saying goes – but we need to get better control of dust and debris at its source.
While I’ve not completely “drunk the koolaid” – this is one place you have to appreciate Festool’s attention to detail. On most of their tools they have thought through the dust management issue – and for those tools that I have of theirs (Track Saw and Domino XL) – my old Dalek-Style Fein dust extractor does a good job. I wish I could say the same about the dust bag on my Bosch GCM12SD or even its dust collection when hooked up to the Fein Vaccum. Not owning one – I don’t know how their pricey Kapex saw does in this category.
jmc
If your a finish carpenter you Must use a 12″ mitre saw ,period…unless your trimming a basic crap house.
If your a diy…then get ryob,hitachi
or rigid…Why would you buy an expensive Milwaukee or Dewalt if you dont use the mitre saw dailly…
Most finish carpenters use bosch or dewalt…..if you dont need a 12″ mitre saw buy a much less expensive..model..10″,71/4″… …
Dewalt battries last a long time…
the info in this thread is crazy…300$ for 2 flexvolt batteries ? NO…179$ at acme tools…90bucks a battery is a great deal…..1 Milwaukee 9.0ah is 250$ thats crazy
Jon
I was also going to mention that Stuart was quoting the single battery full retail price instead of the pair of batteries typical retail cost.
Ryan
A Milwaukee 9.0 is $199
Jon
Milwaukee is $22 per amp hour and the DeWalt flexvolt are $15 per amp hour. Milwaukee batteries are 50% more expensive!
Ryan
You’re still ignoring that you only get an effective 2.0 amp hours on the miter saw with the 6.0 flexvolts, making it $100/ah. When comparing batteries for the miter saws, Milwaukee is almost 5 times cheaper. Once the new 9ah flexvolts are released, they will no doubt cost more (299 for 2 pack would be same cost/ah) and yet they will still only yield 3ah on the miter saw
Stuart
Amp-hours refers to charge capacity.
It’s unfair to talk about cost per amp-hour if you’re talking about different voltage levels.
If you’re going to talk about cost breakdown, you need to talk about watt-hours, which takes into account the voltage and charge capacity.
It doesn’t matter that the upcoming 9.0Ah FlexVolt batteries “only yield 3.0Ah on the miter saw,” since operating at 60V Max means it sips less current.
120V Max x 3.0Ah = 360 Wh of power.
If you take nominal voltages, that’s 108V x 3.0Ah = 324 Wh.
18V * 9.0Ah = 162 Wh.
firefly
Stuart is right. Watt-hours is a better comparison when comparing cost.
So based on the information on the thread…
Milwaukee: 18v x 9Ah = 162Wh at roughly $199
Dewalt: 108Vx2Ah = 216Ah at roughly $199
So that give an edge to Dewalt @ 0.9$/Wh vs 1.2$/Wh if we don’t factor in the free battery from the Milwaukee promotion. If we throw in the free battery it’s only 0.6$/Wh for the Milwaukee… just another wrinkle to you guys comparisons :)))
Truth of the mater is, the numbers are fairly close, and to factor in the cost, we need to factor in the promotion that both will throw at you at different time.
So it’s best just to go with the Saw that best suit your need 90% of the time…
Stuart
Thanks! I either forgot or wasn’t aware that there was a 2-pack which retails for $199!
Jon
Ryan – you are confused about how amp hours work at different voltages, so yes perhaps you should compare watt-hours instead. Total amount of power (watts) is a product of the voltage times the amperage.
Firefly – Yes the Milwaukee saw comes with an extra battery on promotion but if you look at just the cost of buying batteries without tools Milwaukee costs about 30 to 50% more per watt-hour than DeWalt. That goes for all sizes of packs.
Ryan
I understand that but if the bigger saw blows through watts at a greater rate due to the increased voltage you’re left with less runtime. That’s what I meant by “effective amp hours.” Which is why the dewalt, despite having roughly twice the watt hours still has less runtime. This of course is due in large part to a bigger motor turning a bigger blade of course, but that just brings the conversation back to the portability/capacity trade-off conversation.
Jon
You’re still confused a little bit – it doesn’t blow through any extra watts because of the voltage, it uses the same amount or possibly even less. It uses extra watts because the motor is more powerful and turns a larger blade yes.
The DeWalt saw has less run time despite having 33% more watt hours (not roughly twice as many), that is true however you should also consider that you’re unlikely to make enough cuts in a single normal work day to drain either of those saws batteries so if you start with fresh batteries each day the run time has no real meaning in terms of real world use and is an academic measure at best!
kevin
the ac adapter!!! thats the real news here. its new right, i havent seen it anywhere before, and ive been asking dewalt do something like that. i have a stack of old batt that dewalt replaced on warranty(dewalt over nighted new ones the day i called there service center no questions asked)and i was thinking of taking out batteries and installing a cord, and internals to run ac directly into me old 20v 4ah batterie.
thank you for saving me the trouble dewalt, will be looking for the ac adapter to be sold alone or in a much cheaper package : )
BikerDad
The AC adapter is for the FLEXVOLT tools ONLY. It doesn’t step down the voltage, which is what you would ALSO need to do for your old 20v tools.
Blythe M
I’m pretty sure it’s only the miter saw, none of the other flexvolt tools can use the adaptor
kevin
arg, my bad, i see now, not nearly as cool as i thought. guess ill stile have to make my own someday.
Andrew
If each company had both, I’d still go with the 10″ single battery because of the weight and unlimited run time with 2 batteries, plus ability to run off my old 3, 4, and 5.0 batteries in a pinch.
If I had a house with taller than 5 3/4 base or big crown, I’d bring my 12″ corded saw. Once year or less.
Altan
To have 60v batteries allows DeWALT to use two of them to make it 120v to make the tool both cordless and corded, probably they could make 120v batteries but there are some safety concerns I believe. We have been told in the UK that they will launch 240v adapter for the same miter saw in 2017, probably it is not going to be just an adapter, a transformer, too. This make me think that 110-120v is a better than 220-240v in some cases.
Altan
We need cordless die grinder from DeWALT, cordless nibbler, cordless biscuit jointer, cordless tile cutter, cordless rod drain cleaner (Rothenberger does), corded/ cordless light with standing legs (Festool does), cordless sand machine, corded/cordless large vacuum cleaner (the current ones are too noisy and not strong enough)(Makita did one) and more hand tools, not just for US, for UK as well, as we are not EU anymore 🙂
Mr. X
The DeWalt saw weighs 56 pounds. I’m guessing that this does not include the battery as the corded DeWalt saw also weighs 56 pounds. DeWalt does not list the weight of the Flexvolt batteries. Figure 5+/- pounds each so we’re looking at almost 65 pounds of saw. The Milwaukee saw is 45 pounds. again it is unclear if this includes the weight of the battery, but figure 5 pounds for the battery for a total of 50 pounds of saw. A fifteen pound difference is fairly substantial when carting your equipment around from place to place. That being said, I think I will stick with my corded saw of similar weight and not worry about also carrying extra batteries and charging kit.
Chance
Batteries are nowhere near 5 pounds, they are 2.3 pounds each.
Jon
It surprises me the number of people comparing the 12 inch DeWalt saw to the 10 inch Milwaukee saw in regards to the weight!
That is as crazy as complaining that a 7-1/4″ circular saw weighs more than a 6-1/2″ saw!
Ryan
So you’re saying that if you carried a circular saw around all day, you wouldn’t consider the weight an important factor? Doesn’t everyone want to carry the lightest tool possible?
fred
Mostly but there is always the exception to the rule. Sometimes a heavier tool stays put or performs better. We tried a Sullair lightweight breaking hammer – easier to lift than our old Copco – but it did a lot of bouncing around and less jackhammering. In a similar vein – maybe a heavier worm-gear saw stays down better than a light saw when gang cutting.
But your point is not only well taken – but also apropos to the part of this discussion where part of the talk is about 9Ah batteries. Not surprisingly – the higher capacity batteries – would not be my choice for a hand drill, impact driver or any other cordless tool that I need to “swing around” a lot. It is also not surprising that Makita has just introduced compact and lighter-weight tools in this category. Not having the arms of Popeye the Sailor or John Henry – I don’t want tool/battery combinations that weigh more than I need.
Adam
I love(d) having the big boy 5ah batteries on my tools, but the compacts get all my jobs done and my arm feels better.
I’ve sort of swapped battery usage. Now the XCs on stationary tools like lights & fans, where as the compacts are on the tools I need to carry.
I wouldn’t complain if they bump the compacts up to 3ah though
Dacan
Milwaukee will prolly have a M18 compact 3.0 next year, since they already have it for M12.
Jon
I wasn’t saying that weight isn’t an important factor. I was saying that it’s not exactly fair to compare the weight of these saws because they are in different categories. It’s not surprising at all that the DeWalt weighs more because it’s a bigger saw yet people are commenting about that.
firefly
I agree with Ryan. Weight is an important factor especially when it come to cordless too. The two saw are close enough in capacity to be serious contender for anyone who is looking for a cordless miter saw. So what’s wrong with comparing the weight as one of the deciding factor? Again the question here is not which is the better saw but which one best fit each individual need.
Fred also strike a chord with me regardless the weight of those higher amp/volt batteries. It seem that there are two kind of battery one for the typical cordless tools (at least typical for now) such as drills, impact drivers to the more heavier duty application such as saw, outdoor power tools… It’s unlikely that anyone would want those monster battery in a typical drill. So even though/if they are compatible battery sharing in real life application are going to be very limited. If that is the case, then it look like having the FlexVolt or having a 9ah is more of a marketing factor than a real life application factor. Having another battery such as a 90v platform will make it look like the platform are fragmented. Take the flexvolt platform for example. The bigger battery is compatible with the smaller tool but not the other way around. So in reality adopting the flexvolt platform is not so much different than adopting a 60v platform… because it’s so unlikely that the 60v battery will be used anywhere else but those heavier duty type of tool…
Speaking of weight, fred is also right that in some case heavier is better. I just pick up used vidmar workbench and that thing is heavy! Which is a good thing because I prefer a stable workbench. The 8×2.5 table top is made of some kind of laminate wood. The core look like a different type of wood where the top and bottom share a similar type of material with darker color. I don’t know the exact weight but I am thinking it’s at least 300lbs.
Altan
I need that DeWALT wall scanner in the UK, that is it!
Andrew
Much confusion on run time and power and how they relate to the battery specs.
Assuming equal efficiency, run time is based on WH only (which DeWalt fibs on).
Assuming equal efficiency, power is based on Watts only, which we don’t know without measuring.
We really don’t care about volts or amps or amp-hours individually.
What I have failed to find is real information on what voltage is most efficient for these 1-2 HP motors. I mean, 200HP motors run on 480V. Why not more? Tesla runs 375ish volts and over 700HP. Car starter motors are several HP on 7-9 volts (under load).
BikerDad
Flexvolt or Bosch Glide??
fred
In speaking about the Dewalt Flexvolt Stuart says “The saw is pricey, but it’s also the best miter saw I’ve ever used, and that includes corded miter saws.” I suppose he’s tried the GCM12SD – so this seems a strong endorsement. Maybe the GCM12SD has an advantage on price ($100 cheaper at $599) It also might have the advantage if the saw is going to be positioned close to a wall. I don’t know how the stock blades compare in quality of cut – although the spec sheet says that the Dewalt arbor is 5/8 inch – which is more typical of a 10 inch blade. On my Bosch – I changed out the blade for a Forrest Mitermaster 100 tooth blade for fine work.
Stuart
Not yet, but I’ve tested the 10″ before.
I pulled a sample out of deep storage, and am unhappy to find degradation of one of the knobs, and a half dollar sized delamination of the thick powder coat on the base.
But the mechanism still glides smooth, which is impressive.
I might seem out a 12″ for comparison.
The actual axial glide truly is an awesome space saver, and is less frictiony than sliders.
fred
I’ve seen one reviewer say that with his the glide mechanism got sloppy with use. Another said that the blade did not track true along a cutline. I have not found these issues with mine and the ones I had bought for the business. But one man’s use might be another’s abuse and/or there might be Q/A – Q/C issues in manufacturing. We had one saw where we could not get the left and right back fences to align with each other and the turntable properly – it got returned. Otherwise our samples were pretty good right out of the box – table flat within good tolerance, fences good, blade aligned well to table in chop-mode at various miter angles and the blade tracked true at 90 and 45.
Stuart
I’ve heard those same complaints about the axial glide saw, which is why I’ve been back-burnering my desire to test out the 12″. The 10″ seems to be okay on all regards, I’ll be firing it up in a few weeks for post-holiday comparison review.
BigDan
Fred I think we’ve run into this discussion before! If I recall those issues mostly came out of the initial batches the first year or two, and that part of the issue there was the packaging/shipping of them before THD put it on display in stores? They did have some QC issues as well. The most concerning to me was the uneven table surface but I’ve found my glide to be perfect in every way. Its possible they’ve corrected them since?
I would wager Stuart’s are early models so may have higher risk of quality issues, but then again if it was a free review sample I would expect Bosch to ensure everything is perfect sending them out for review?
You can’t take my glide away, aside from being perfect, it looks so cool with those mechanical arms over the twin sliders. When the saw dies I’m reusing those arms for something else. Maybe a light fixture 🙂
fred
As I said I love mine – with the exception of its weight when I need to move it and its gravity rise stand up into a truck. The complaints – on Amazon anyway – seem to be far outweighed (72% 5-star – 15% 4 star based on 240 reviews) by the kudos – but a 10/17/16 and a 9/1/16 reviewer both talked about it not tracking properly and a 9/15/16 comment about 1/16 inch arbor runout. One Amazon reviewer on 9/7/16 said the first one shipped to him had issues – the replacement was near perfect. If legitimate these reviews still suggest that there may be some QC issues somewhere along the chain of manufacture through shipping.