Can you guess who the next player in the dual battery cordless tool market is? Surprise, it’s Ryobi!
Ryobi is calling their dual battery line One+One and they just announced a 10″ dual-bevel sliding miter saw as the first product. The saw uses two of their 18V One+ batteries, effectively making it a 36V tool. Two batteries will be required to operate the saw, so there’s no limping through the last task on your punchlist with just one battery.
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Ryobi is claiming that you can make over 800 cuts per charge with P194 batteries — remember these are the new part number Stuart talked about in a March post. It hasn’t been released yet and there’s no information from the official channels, but I’m pretty sure it is a 9.0Ah battery, based on the video Stuart recently posted that clearly shows the new 3.0, 6.0, and 9.0Ah batteries.
The saw uses a brushless motor to develop a no-load speed of 4000 RPM. It features an electric brake to quickly stop the blade after you release the trigger, and Roybi’s ExactLine laser alignment system to mark the cut line. Dust collection is through a 1-1/4″ dust port behind the blade.
The saw swings from 45° left to 50° to the right, with miter stops at the common angles of 0°, 15°, 22.5°, 31.6°, and 45°.
The 34 pound saw can cross cut a 2 x 12 or 4 x 6 and make a cut as tall as 3-5/8″ against the fence. At 45° it’ll cut dimensional lumber up to 2 x 8. Here are the full cutting specs from the press release:
- Baseboard Against Fence: 3-5/8″
- Crown Molding Nested (45/45): 5-1/4″
- Crown Molding Nested (52/38): 4-5/8″
- Baseboard Laying Flat: 12″
- 90° Cross Cut (nominal): 2 x 12″ or 4 x 6″
- 45° Miter Cut (nominal): 2 x 8″
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On Ryobi’s site they have a picture of some accessories. Take a close look at the blade. That’s a 24 tooth blade, right? Why does it say 40 carbide teeth? If you look at the photos of the saw, it does look like the blade they have on it has 40 teeth.
That hiccup aside, the saw is sold as a bare tool, meaning it doesn’t come with batteries. It does come with a carbide-tipped blade (of uncertain tooth count), a work hold-down clamp, and blade wrench. The photos show that a dust bag is included, although there’s no explicit mention of one on the website or press release. It would be silly not to include one so they probably either forgot to mention it or figure it’s just part of the saw.
- 10″ blade size
- 5/8″ arbor
- 4000 RPM no-load speed
- Weighs 34 lbs
- Laser cutting guide line
It will be available at Home Depot for $299 starting in June 2017.
Available: June 2017
Price: $299
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First Thoughts
First off, in the press release they say the saw is compatible with all ONE+ 18V batteries. The NiCad batteries they still sell are labeled One+ and are forwards compatible with their newer tools. This means you could potentially have a 10″cordless miter saw powered by two NiCad batteries.
Stuart’s Note: Ryobi 18V 4.0Ah battery packs are still 2 for $99. If you’re still rocking NiCad batteries, you might want to buy a Li-ion charger (maybe the new 6-port charger?) and Li-ion battery packs to make this saw a “kit.”
The next thing that came to mind is that the saw requires two batteries to run, but they don’t say the batteries have to be matched. This potentially means you could run the saw with one NiCad and one 9.0Ah Li-ion battery. Since Ryobi is a consumer brand, you know there are going to be people trying to run it with an old NiCad they’ve had for years, and a Li-ion battery that came with their new string trimmer.
Stuart’s Note: In dual-battery tools, matching up the batteries is best, otherwise performance and runtime will be dependent on the lowest specs.
How powerful is this 10″ saw going to be? With a brushless motor and two 9.0Ah batteries, there’s a possibility it’s going to have more power than Milwaukee’s cordless miter saw. It might even come close to the power of Makita’s new X2 brushless miter saw. At 34lbs, this is a pretty light saw, but it remains to be seen how well it is built. It is possible that it could have the power to compete with more professional saws, but not have the rigidity to be as accurate.
Blythe M
I’m all for the idea, but the design looks heavily based on the craftsman 10 in slider, which I have and hate. Too much flex in the rails/head, one piece fence which bows in 2 planes over time(on my 3rd unit because of this-warranty replacement), and doesn’t hold square if you’re moving it to job sites much.
At least the fence looks slightly revised and it has a dust boot now
http://sears.com/craftsman-10inch-single-bevel-sliding-compound-miter-saw/p-00921237000P
Pete
I think it looks closer to the ridgid 10″ sliding miter saw that i have. Which would make sense as its in the TTi family.
Its a pretty accurate saw and i have been pleased with it.
ktash
This is good to know. Puts Ridgid in the running. I’ve been happy with other Ridgid tools except the last one. I’ve been having problems registering for the lifetime warranty, one of the reasons to buy Ridgid tools. Not sure what’s going on with that.
And of course, assuming they (or Ryobi or any other brand) have paid attention to dust collection. I have no reason to buy another miter saw with crappy dust collection.
Jonathan
Mighty tempting after jumping into the stream of the “Electric Green Lime Machines” lol.
Ryobi’s has blown me away both 18V/40V OPE (Still have a corral of 20VMax and 12V Fuel tools).
This is mighty tempting esp, since I don’t use my mitre saw daily. I have an older 12-15 year old Rigid 10″ miter, neither sliding or dual sided mitering option, but I love the quick adjust beast of a work clamp down, it clamps horizontal and takes 2 seconds to adjust from max to flush against the fence. The laser is still iffy at times but it was one of the early laser offerings.
This would be a no brainer for me if it was offered in Hybrid power (corded/less).
TTi continues to impress me.
Brad
It looks like this saw is a near carbon-copy of the AEG 10″/254mm miter saw of similar specs. It’s disappointing that this didn’t appear as a RIDGID or better yet Milwaukee version instead of Ryobi, particularly since the AEG 7 1/4″ /184mm was sourced for the RIDGID 7 1/4″ miter that came out last year. I own tools of all three brands, but I don’t expect a Ryobi tool to have the precision or longevity of RIDGID or Milwaukee, even with my own near-flawless experience with all three brands. They are price-differentiated for a reason. And that Milwaukee Fuel 10″ miter was incredibly expensive, even if one were to purchase without battery or charger. I much prefer the Milwaukee method for the sliders, being housed in the platform to reduce footprint, but 36v sure would have been nice. As long as the saw could drop down to 18v if necessary, that is. The AEG 10″ cordless has that capability, but the Ryobi will require two batteries at all times and that’s disappointing.
I REALLY wish the AEG line was easier to find online for shipment stateside. Would love to have one of the 12v power sources for their heated jackets, akin to the Milwaukee M12 power source. It would open up so much more usefulness for the limited RIDGID 12v line. Until then, I’ll continue crafting my own.
Pete
FYI the 2-4ah battery packs were pulled off the shelves when they started their “ryobi days” 2 tools or battery packs and you get a free starter pack- small battery and a standard charger.
So if you want the 2-4ah batteries you gotta order them.
Travis
These packs, especially the 4.0ah packs are in all my local stores.
Pete
Must be my store… jerks. Its the “central store” for the city so they have a TTI rep(miwaukee, ryobi, & ridgid) thats present Monday-Friday. He probably hid them….
e. baker
that makes no sense. you’ve made that comment twice now across two separate Ryobi posts. Why would the TTI rep hide his own product?
Pete
I have indeed made the same comment on two different pages because its true. I go to my home depot almost everyday and i can tell you the day the ryobi deals started their 2 pack of 4ah batteries was gone from the exact spot it was the other day.
My guess is because the sales rep wants more tool sales instead of battery sales. The 2 pack of 4ah batteries counts as 1 of the two items needed to get the starter pack.
Brad
The 2-pack of 4.0ah batteries is part of the Ryobi Days ad set, and should be located in the ad “train” that all the stores set out, typically in front of the hardware and tool aisles, between the cash registers and the pro/contractor desk. There’s no incentive to hide them – it’s a lost sale and increased risk of taking a markdown if there is overstock and the price is reduced. Have you confirmed the on-hand count with an HD associate? Or HomeDepot.com? It’s not uncommon that a wingstack or shipment is misplaced or “lost” in the overheads. Every rep I’ve ever met is eager to sell the 2-packs as an incentive to building brand buy-in and loyalty.
RobertW
My local Home Depot stores here in NC still have a couple of 2×4.0 for $99 on the shelves. I can say I at least bought one, crazy not to. 🙂
Gary
Now that several manufacturers are offering cordless/brushless miter saws, I hope to eventually see some side-by-side tests..
Also (and this comment doesn’t apply only to this Ryobi), can someone explain to me the reason for 45-degree-left cuts and 50-degree-right cuts? I understand the benefit of going slightly greater than 45-degrees. Is it really more difficult to engineer, or more expensive, to offer 50-degree capability in both directions?
taras
Typically there is a “hold-down” on the left side of the fence. If the base of the saw is smaller, or made smaller, then this hold down will encroach on the saw when you tilt the saw all the way to the left and angle it all the way to the left. There is more clearance to the right of the blade because of this. This isn’t a problem with a wider base where the hold down is placed further away.
ktash
I’m not considering a cordless miter saw at this time, but if I were, accuracy would be very important, more important than power. It will be interesting to see what new users have to say about it.
Joey
Passing it up. Wont go forRyobi. Im still waiting for ridgid to come out with 10″ or 12″ heard it will come with ac power too
nigeldh
Stuart, you forgot your earlier post – New Ryobi 18V One+ 6-Port Battery SuperCharger. The Ryobi 6 port isn’t like the Makita dual port specifically for their x2 tools.
“The new Ryobi 18V One+ SuperCharger can charge up to 6 battery packs, one at a time. Sorry, this isn’t a simultaneous charger, it’s a *recharge all your batteries at the end of the day* type.”
http://www.makitatools.com/products/details/DC18RD18V LXT® Lithium‑Ion Dual Port Rapid Optimum Charger. The available bundle is dual port charger with two 5 Ah batteries for ~$294.
Soapbox – Milwaukee is actually delivering 9 Ah 18V batteries plus they are about the same list price as the Makita 6 Ah. Ryobi only has 4 Ah One+ batteries in the States. The video in “New Ryobi 3.0Ah, 6.0Ah, 9.0Ah 18V One+ High Energy Battery Packs” refers to a 5 Ah One+ battery that we can’t get here.
I have been getting my Milwaukee 9 Ah batteries for ~ $100 – buy the charger/battery bundle with circular saw, then sell the saw, charger, on eBay.
Jerry
Is it just me, or is Ryobi stepping up their game and making some pretty impressive tools? I recently got their brush less hammer drill/driver and IMO it compares to anything out there in terms of power/torque. It is pretty no-frills, just a 2 speed transmission, and the side handle is either on the left or the right, it doesn’t swivel, but if you want a basic, but very powerful drill, it seems to fit the bill. Hopefully, this saw will be similar; not a lot of frills, but strong and usable.
Bolt
I’m still mad that they’re only selling the brushless hammer drill as a kit. I’d like to upgrade but I don’t want to spend extra on another battery and charger when I’ve already got plenty.
fred
I’m sure that there are folks piecing the kit out and selling the parts separately on eBay. Probably at a premium – but probably less than the kit cost at HD.
ktash
Is that their only brushless drill or driver or drill/driver? It looked like it from the ryobi site. They need to make more brushless and make smaller tools to go with them. Their drills are too clunky. I have them but don’t use them, also the chucks aren’t great. I don’t expect a makita at ryobi prices, but a brushless drill etc that’s smaller and lasts would be a great seller, imho. No need for lots of bells and whistles if the price is right.
Rob
They are coming out with great tools, I have 43 Ryobi One + tools and love most of them and they serve me well as a DIY person. They need to cut the shit and get out the new batteries out, the P108 came out in 2012 and we have had nothing since then, which is BS. They keep coming out with great tools like the new brushless miter saw and belt sander, but come on 4ah is a middle of the road battery in most other tool lines and yet thats still all Ryobi has. I did the digging on the new high energy batteries and thankfully we know they are coming but they should have been here by now. Also we need a faster charger, like the UK who just received a 5.0 amp charger to charge their 5.0 batteries in 60 minutes, where our chargers are 2.6 amps per hour, and thats the “fast charger” Lets step it up Ryobi and focus on the new batteries and charger!
JC
I’m going to make this Ryobi post about Milwaukee. Milwaukee has a product symposium coming up on June 7 (the 1 day of the year I pay twitter, FBT, etc any attn.) I truly hope they have a dual battery toolife or 2 to show off. It would appear that dual battery is the way things are going. Ryobi, Ridgid, Makita, Dewalt, and maybe others I’m not aware of have gotten on the dual battery train. It’s actually beginning to get me to look at a couple of Makita tools and a Flexvolt miter saw when I’m a die hard Milwaukee guy. I hope Milwaukee steps up to the plate and releases some dual battery tools. Maybe a 10″ table saw running on 2 9ah batteries.
e. baker
So this saw is already in the overheads at many Home Depot locations…and I know the manual references the 9ah batteries…
So the question that needs to be asked is, when will we start seeing promotional info on the new 3, 6, and 9ah batteries? And more specifically…when will those become available?
I could have them pull the saw out of the overhead at my local Home Depot and purchase it now if I wanted to…so when the saw actually gets merchandised / set-up at my Home Depot and it’s referencing the new 9ah battery in the manual…how does Ryobi justify releasing the saw referencing a battery that the won’t cough up any information on?
Just really wanting those higher capacity battery packs to hit already.
Simon
Can i get this Saw in Europe?
Daniel
I wish I found out about this saw 4 years ago.
In January of 2019 I had a small job where I really could have benefited from a cordless slider. I went searching to see if Ryobi made a cordless sliding mitersaw. came across all the reviews on this, but it was not for sale anywhere. The main website said all the Home Depo had a few in stock (less than 5 bit ranged from 2 at most and 3 or 4 at a couple) However my local one had none, even tho their computer said they should have had 3, and the guys there don’t ever remember seeing it or a spot on the shelf for it. Not even a sticker. I have been to 9 different HD stores since then. All over the NY, NJ, NY areas. THen by 2020 it was not even in the computers anymore and gone from the main site. I had set an alert on HD for when it came back in stock (before it disappeared from the site) and I got an alert late last year (2020) for a newer model PBT01B. A single 18v 7.25 inch single bevel slider.
And it was the same thing as before with the other model. Although it was not listed at all at my local store, and again there were a couple at each of the nearby ones. I have made calls to them all. And again it cant be found. No one ever remembers seeing it or space for it, despite the computer saying its in stock.
I do not think I will ever find one. Not even eBay ever has any for sale.
I plan on buying the more expensive Milwalkie M18 fuel slider (it is the same specs as the Ryobi P3650) and just getting 2 battery adapters so I can use my Ryobi batteries. But I will wait till I have the extra cash to burn, and just use the geni with my saw when I need it.
Curt
Bought this used in 2020
Have smoked a few electronics
Ryobi probably had too many warranty issues to keep it
Like the saw though